Home run?

[smbbcoach99]

Last of the 7th, home team down 4-5, runners 2nd and 3rd. Batter hits a home run over left field fence, fair.

Batter rounds 1st base, team mobs him for the appearent game winning -3 run homer run.The only runner to actually touch home was the runner from 3rd (thus a tie game). The other runner made it to third, saw the celebration, and joined in.

What is the correct call at this point- other than to tell the coach he is a bone head for allow the celebration before batter gets home.

[greymule]

What happened next? Everybody left the field? Neither BR nor runner continued around the bases? How many outs were there when the play started (it could be relevant)?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by greymule

What happened next? Everybody left the field? Neither BR nor runner continued around the bases? How many outs were there when the play started (it could be relevant)?

That is the key. Nothing else can really happen unless the defense does something next.

Peace

[johnnyg08]

Isn't this the situation where no appeal is necessary if the runners fail to complete running the bases? I haven't looked this one up yet, but I think there's a case play almost exactly like this in the MLBUM and JEA might have one as well.

As umpires we could possibly have two outs on this play if there are less than two outs at the time of the homerun and both runner abandon their efforts to continue running the bases...if that's the case, we could still have a tie game right? With two outs...we might still have a tie game based on a time play and the B/R does reach 1B.

I'm going to look it up now.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by smbbcoach99

What is the correct call at this point- other than to tell the coach he is a bone head for allow the celebration before batter gets home.

Well, you could also tell the coach he's a bone head for allowing the celebration before R2 gets home -- because that's the run that matters.

So, two (more) outs and keep playing.

[greymule]

In 1959, Harvey Haddix pitched 12 perfect innings against the Milwaukee Braves and lost in the 13th on a strange but related play. With Felix Mantilla (I think) on 2B and Hank Aaron on 1B and one out, Joe Adcock hit a ball over the left-center field fence. Mantilla scored the winning from 2B, but Aaron, thinking the ball had bounced over the chain link fence, ran in to celebrate the win and abandoned the basepaths. Aaron was called out and then (the next day) Adcock was deemed to have passed Aaron, so his run didn't count either. So the game ended 2-0 but was changed the next day to 1-0.

I don't know why Adcock's run was taken away, however. Aaron's out was only the second out and shouldn't have affected Adcock's run. (Adock couldn't have "passed" a runner already out.) I wish I knew the details.

[johnnyg08]

Interesting history. I'd like to see the replay of that.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

With two outs...we might still have a tie game based on a time play and the B/R does reach 1B.

Nope. The game would be over, with the visiting team winning. No run can score when the third out is made on a batter-runner before reaching first base.

In the OP, we need more information, as greymule asked.

[johnnyg08]

Runner already reached 1B though. I thought it said that in the OP. That changes things doesn't it?

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Runner already reached 1B though. I thought it said that in the OP. That changes things doesn't it?

You're right. I misread the OP. Definitely changes things.