Mechanics

[IRISHMAFIA]

Someone tell me exactly what else the 3rd base umpire has to watch other than a runner retouching a base on a caught line drive on the other side of the infield

Appeal play

Then again, how hard is it to make a ruling after being told what happened.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Someone tell me exactly what else the 3rd base umpire has to watch other than a runner retouching a base on a caught line drive on the other side of the infield

Appeal play

Then again, how hard is it to make a ruling after being told what happened.

Not going with HM, but unjustified ball watching.
Plus:
1- scream if you see me folding my arms while a coach talks
2 - scream if my hands are on my hips while explaining
3 - remind me to remove dark glasses
4 - same as 1, more so with angry coach
5 - why can't MLB umps think & talk w/o the PU?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Not going with HM, but unjustified ball watching.
Plus:
1- scream if you see me folding my arms while a coach talks
2 - scream if my hands are on my hips while explaining
3 - remind me to remove dark glasses
4 - same as 1, more so with angry coach
5 - why can't MLB umps think & talk w/o the PU?

Because each crew has a chief and not always the PU. In this case, I believe the 3B umpire was the CC. Each crew also has a rules guy. Yeah, they should all know them, but often there is a particular umpire whose job is to be the rules guy.

If they come together and discuss a play or rule, it eliminates the request to check with someone else so the only subsequent action would be to protest or go to a replay (if that is available for the play/call at hand).

[Tru_in_Blu]

Not trying to defend the umpire because I think most MLB umpires are a bit too arrogant for my tastes.

However, 3U and PU may not have had a good angle for the runner returning to 3B. The runner did head back, but obviously didn't go back all the way. PU may have been straight lined by the runner and may not have been able to tell if he went all the way back. 3U may have had a similar problem seeing the runner's foot. The runner could have touched the base without having stepped on top of the bag.

Seems like the guy who might have had the best angle would be 2U, and he was dealing with the missed ball at second base and the scramble that followed that.

So, yeah, they got it right, but it took an awfully long time.

Ditto comments about sunglasses, arms akimbo and/or folded.

Or maybe that was supposed to be his day off. And he certainly acted like it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Not trying to defend the umpire because I think most MLB umpires are a bit too arrogant for my tastes.

However, 3U and PU may not have had a good angle for the runner returning to 3B. The runner did head back, but obviously didn't go back all the way. PU may have been straight lined by the runner and may not have been able to tell if he went all the way back. 3U may have had a similar problem seeing the runner's foot. The runner could have touched the base without having stepped on top of the bag.

Seems like the guy who might have had the best angle would be 2U, and he was dealing with the missed ball at second base and the scramble that followed that.

So, yeah, they got it right, but it took an awfully long time.

Ditto comments about sunglasses, arms akimbo and/or folded.

Or maybe that was supposed to be his day off. And he certainly acted like it.

Check the video at 1:32 on the video in the OP. The umpire is maybe 6-8 ft from 3rd base. There is absolutely no excuse for him to not see the no touch at 3rd.

[BlueDevilRef]

I cannot agree about the sunglasses comments. I wear mine a lot. I don't think it's disrespectful to keep them on when talking to someone. Especially a coach, who is also wearing sunglasses.

[DaveASA/FED]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I cannot agree about the sunglasses comments. I wear mine a lot. I don't think it's disrespectful to keep them on when talking to someone. Especially a coach, who is also wearing sunglasses.

Well I think you will agree to disagree with most on this board. It is a sign of respect to take the glasses off and look them in the eye. Even if they don't take theirs off when they talk to us, we should be above that and take ours off and look them in the eye. I also wear glasses almost always as my contacts hate the dust, but they come off at the plate conference and anytime I am discussing something with a coach. Not for lineup changes but anytime we are having a discussion about a ruling etc.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Because each crew has a chief and not always the PU. In this case, I believe the 3B umpire was the CC. Each crew also has a rules guy. Yeah, they should all know them, but often there is a particular umpire whose job is to be the rules guy.

If they come together and discuss a play or rule, it eliminates the request to check with someone else so the only subsequent action would be to protest or go to a replay (if that is available for the play/call at hand).

Yes, I get all that, except the bold, but just dislike the preference given to PU, there and in our games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Well I think you will agree to disagree with most on this board. It is a sign of respect to take the glasses off and look them in the eye. Even if they don't take theirs off when they talk to us, we should be above that and take ours off and look them in the eye. I also wear glasses almost always as my contacts hate the dust, but they come off at the plate conference and anytime I am discussing something with a coach. Not for lineup changes but anytime we are having a discussion about a ruling etc.

As many of you are fond of saying, baseball and softball are different sports. I work college and HS baseball and my glasses never come off. Why should I squint at the plate meeting?

The only umpires I know who worry about those kinds of things are those who also work softball.

Any point to this thread other than ripping MLB umpires?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Rich

Any point to this thread other than ripping MLB umpires?

Ripping weak and discourteous umpires, as a teaching moment.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Ripping weak and discourteous umpires, as a teaching moment.

Discourteous? Only to people who look for stuff like this.

I get along marvelously with coaches, despite leaving my sunglasses on my face from the moment I walk from the car until I return.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Rich

Discourteous? 1 Only to people who look for stuff like this.

2 I get along marvelously with coaches, despite leaving my sunglasses on my face from the moment I walk from the car until I return.

Yes to #1, but it happens.

Of course to #2, g. lad you don't have to run to your car.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich

As many of you are fond of saying, baseball and softball are different sports. I work college and HS baseball and my glasses never come off. Why should I squint at the plate meeting?

The only umpires I know who worry about those kinds of things are those who also work softball.

Any point to this thread other than ripping MLB umpires?

I would have posted this, including my opinion, regardless of the umpire, organization or level.

Remember when it was taught to annoy the coach by walking in small circles and make the coach chase if s/he wanted to "argue"? Or put your back to the sun to force the coach to look into it. I have never taught such things and would correct anyone who would bring them up in a clinic. IMO, an umpire who uses such childish tactics is classless.

AFA the sunglasses, I agree with Dave

[BlueDevilRef]

This world has a lot of "signs of respect" that don't have shit to do with actual respect.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Follow up on the sunglasses. As noted, I agreed with Dave concerning removal.

Doing so and looking straight at the coach is an indication that the umpire is paying attention and giving his/her opinion/argument the consideration that is due the coach in representing his/her team.