Malicious contact

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

It's a rule of equity. Simple as that.

Huh? Oh, a legal term.

[CecilOne]

Getting back to useful questions.

1) Is the ejection immediate? IOW, no further action by that player counts?

2) What is the difference between malicious and flagrant? NFHS defines malicious as "excesive force". ASA does not define either.
Malicious in a dictionary means "having or showing a desire to cause harm to another person".

If this is a hijack, tell me and I'll repost separately.

[BlueDevilRef]

In nfhs and utrip, yes, player is out and ejection is immediate, so player could not score. (I don't have rules cute though bc my books are in the car)

I don't know that there really is a difference in flagrant or malicious. I would use them interchangeably.

And I don't think it's a hijack. Pretty germane to the conversation.

[jmkupka]

ASA, runner bowls over clueless F2 then touches the plate, run scores.

BR blows up F3 when rounding 1B, continues around the bases and crosses the plate. Run scores.

Then ejection.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

ASA, runner bowls over clueless F2 then touches the plate, run scores.

BR blows up F3 when rounding 1B, continues around the bases and crosses the plate. Run scores.

Then ejection.

I imagine this play somewhat resembles this: http://i.giphy.com/TIKf43cN5FTYQ.gif All sorts of bad stuff, with ejections at the end.

Can I continue this train of thought with a game management question? Would it be appropriate to bring both head coaches together and explain that the ejections will continue until morale sportsmanship improves? I might also warn the offensive HC that should his team pull another stunt like that, he'll be following his players to the parking lot. Not that he would need the warning, but for the benefit of the defensive coach seeing that we are being proactive about an obvious unsportsmanlike play.

Or does bringing the coaches together for a private, stern chat run the risk of escalating the situation by getting them within arm's length of one another?

[jmkupka]

Personally, I wouldn't bring the two together, but rather address each at their respective dugouts.

Most likely, I'll be addressing the OC at the HP area, where I'd probably be while announcing the ejection when she crosses the plate. Any warning of a coach ejection would come right after he attempts to justify his girl's behavior.

Any blanket warning to both teams (again, individually), would be in the vein of diffusing the situation, explaining my decision, and advising them both against any future USC.

But bringing two irate coaches together is a bad idea...

[jmkupka]

In the video, the landing was allowed continue, and then the ejection.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Of course I have heard of unsportsmanlike conduct......which is how you eject in any rule set. Maybe ASA should stop worrying about chin straps and silly things like that and get this rule right. Around here, it's fallen by the wayside anyway so it's nothing to me but I'd be bothered with an ejection but no out in this type of play.

Hey, you asked the question.

IMO, the chin strap rule was and should still be, something that was important for safety reasons and made an umpire's life much easier by eliminating the ACCIDENTAL removal or the falling off of the helmet.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

Personally, I wouldn't bring the two together, but rather address each at their respective dugouts.

Most likely, I'll be addressing the OC at the HP area, where I'd probably be while announcing the ejection when she crosses the plate. Any warning of a coach ejection would come right after he attempts to justify his girl's behavior.

Any blanket warning to both teams (again, individually), would be in the vein of diffusing the situation, explaining my decision, and advising them both against any future USC.

But bringing two irate coaches together is a bad idea...

Not necessarily. If you only need to say something once, there should be no confusion and accusations that the umpire didn't say one thing or another. It is only a bad idea if the umpire is incapable of controlling the meeting.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Hey, you asked the question.

IMO, the chin strap rule was and should still be, something that was important for safety reasons and made an umpire's life much easier by eliminating the ACCIDENTAL removal or the falling off of the helmet.

12th year of both NFHS and Utrip, neither of which require chin strap, and I really don't remember a helmet coming off ever. Maybe I am forgetting it but I don't recall any.

[jmkupka]

Mike, I guess a good barometer of that would be, if the 2 coaches were already going at it from across the diamond, I wouldn't facilitate things by closing the distance (even as a moderator).