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Get-it-Correct Dead Ball or Out? Thu Oct 01, 2015, 06:24pm

BretMan I think that the rule you... Thu Oct 01, 2015, 07:46pm

AtlUmpSteve I believe we have all come to... Thu Oct 01, 2015, 10:36pm

Rich Ives What are you trying to say? Fri Oct 02, 2015, 12:11am

Gulf Coast Blue He means to not overthink it... Fri Oct 02, 2015, 02:41am

CecilOne If a BR still in the box... Fri Oct 02, 2015, 09:01am

MD Longhorn That's close. If the BALL is... Fri Oct 02, 2015, 09:05am

AtlUmpSteve Same question as to CecilOne.... Sat Oct 03, 2015, 12:17am

AtlUmpSteve Cite the rule that supports... Sat Oct 03, 2015, 12:07am

AtlUmpSteve You were good until the first... Sat Oct 03, 2015, 12:22am

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jmkupka I guess I'll cite 7.4.I... ... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 10:07am

IRISHMAFIA That would be 7.4.J and... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 10:39am

jmkupka Wow... cannot believe I was... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 02:56pm

tcannizzo I am also in the camp of the... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 03:24pm

tcannizzo Clarification(s) please.... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 05:06pm

IRISHMAFIA "ASA 2015, Page 86: J. ... Mon Oct 05, 2015, 08:31pm

EsqUmp Common Sense: B lays down a... Tue Oct 06, 2015, 06:11am

jmkupka granted Esq, and in that case... Tue Oct 06, 2015, 08:57am

IRISHMAFIA You mean when the ball hits... Tue Oct 06, 2015, 04:59pm

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Mon Oct 05, 2015, 05:06pm

tcannizzo

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Clarification(s) please.
7.4.J refers to a pitched ball only, no? Would have no bearing on a batted ball.

8.2.F.4 seems to make ANY contact with B-R in fair territory an Out (no reference to batter's box).

BATTER-RUNNER: A player who has completed a turn at bat but has not yet been put out or reached first base.

Now "completed a turn at bat" implies that the ball has been put in play.
So, how can a player remain B after completing a turn at bat? Wouldn't this immediately change the status to BR? Of course, this would result in ANY contact with a batted ball an out (8.2.F.4), meaning you could never (or damn near) have a foul ball, which of course makes no sense.

I can easily go along with an interpretation applying the logic behind RS 24 Hitting the ball a second time, it makes sense. But I would be much more comfortable with something specific in the book to cover this.

The way I am reading the book, there are too many contradictions.
Help get me untangled please.

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