Fourth Out Appeal

[Altor]

We call it an "appeal" to ask about a check swing, but is it really?

[Andy]

This is a BIIIIIG stretch, but could the jeopardy rule apply here?

If the PU goes to the BU for help on the check swing and the BU rules a strike, the strike out should be the third out of the inning and B4s turn at bat is complete.

Would the initial "incorrect" call of a ball on B4 place the defensive team in jeopardy by having to pitch to B4 with no count at the start of the next inning?

Just thinking out loud (figuratively speaking), I can't think of any other way to accept the request for help on the check swing after the third out at second base.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Altor

We call it an "appeal" to ask about a check swing, but is it really?

I believe we have the winner right here.

This play is NOT a fourth out appeal; it is, as Altor states, a request for help on a check swing. Appeals are defined in rule book; this isn't one of them.

As a matter of rule, the NCAA mandates that we honor the requestwhen made by the catcher; as a matter of good game management, other mechanics manuals urge you to honor the request unless you judge it to be a mockery.

I cannot understand why we would NOT allow the defense to secure the more favorable out they earned, nor why we would take away the strike out the pitcher earned.

For that matter, I don't understand why ASA (or anyone else) wouldn't allow a beneficial fourth out appeal, whether it negates a run or not. If the defense earned the out, and that team considers it a benefit, why ignore or refuse it?

[Dakota]

As has been stated, the OP situation is not an appeal, so the strike out counts (assuming BU says it was a swing).

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

...For that matter, I don't understand why ASA (or anyone else) wouldn't allow a beneficial fourth out appeal, whether it negates a run or not. If the defense earned the out, and that team considers it a benefit, why ignore or refuse it?

ASA is worse than that... the runner appealed must have scored!

But, a lot of us have been wondering that for a long time!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

As has been stated, the OP situation is not an appeal, so the strike out counts (assuming BU says it was a swing).


ASA is worse than that... the runner appealed must have scored!

But, a lot of us have been wondering that for a long time!

It is because players stop playing when the umpire calls the 3rd out.