Overruling your partner?

[Jurassic Referee]

NFHS rule 2-6- "No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties".

The NCAA rule basically says the same thing.

Just thought that I'd throw this in.

[Kelvin green]

If my partner is kicking a rule interp I will jump in.

If it was a quick OOB play with a lob from trail area to lead (etc) and my partner may have it the wrong way, I will step in and offer.

If it is a travel or three seconds those kinds of things my partner is on thier own.

If it is a hard foul, I will step in and tell them I will back up an intentional call or ask if they want intentional.

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
NFHS rule 2-6- "No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties".

The NCAA rule basically says the same thing.

Just thought that I'd throw this in.

What about when we are getting evaluated?

Originally posted by Kelvin green
If my partner is kicking a rule interp I will jump in.

If it was a quick OOB play with a lob from trail area to lead (etc) and my partner may have it the wrong way, I will step in and offer.

If it is a travel or three seconds those kinds of things my partner is on thier own.

If it is a hard foul, I will step in and tell them I will back up an intentional call or ask if they want intentional.

This is more what I was meaning in my post.

In my experiences I don't know if I would run in and ask if they want to call it an intentional foul.

I feel in order to sell an intentional foul call it has to be done immediately. If the call changes from a push to an intentional foul you will really start to hear it from the coaches. I may discuss with them afterward the intentional foul and ask if they may have thought about calling it intentional.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
NFHS rule 2-6- "No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties".

The NCAA rule basically says the same thing.

Just thought that I'd throw this in.

Always stirring the pot...

[OverAndBack]

Originally posted by cingram
I feel in order to sell an intentional foul call it has to be done immediately. If the call changes from a push to an intentional foul you will really start to hear it from the coaches. I may discuss with them afterward the intentional foul and ask if they may have thought about calling it intentional.

I had this happen, not in my primary (it was very close to being in mine, happened quickly at the end of a game when things were moving quickly and we were all hustling around). I saw what could have been intentional, and which I probably would have called intentional because it just seemed a bit much. My partner, who had it, didn't call it intentional. Next time out, I said "I would have been with you on that one if you'd called it intentional." and that was it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Always stirring the pot...

Say what? I'm not stirring the pot at all, Juulie.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what? I'm not stirring the pot at all, Juulie.

Okay sorry, I'll change filters now.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what? I'm not stirring the pot at all, Juulie.

[oatmealqueen]

Do many officials feel that it is ok, on a perceived missed OOB call by their partner, to tweet and run in and try to offer info if partner hasn't asked for help?

I have a little trouble with this.

[mick]

Originally posted by oatmealqueen
Do many officials feel that it is ok, on a perceived missed OOB call by their partner, to tweet and run in and try to offer info if partner hasn't asked for help?

I have a little trouble with this.

oatmealqueen,
If the crowd is all over my partner and I saw the last touch, I'm running in. I would hope my partner would bail me out accordingly.

Of course, if partner gives me that wide-eyed, "now-what-have-I-done" look, it becomes even easier.

mick

Still no ratings U.P. here.

[oatmealqueen]

Originally posted by mick

oatmealqueen,
If the crowd is all over my partner and I saw the last touch, I'm running in. I would hope my partner would bail me out accordingly.

Of course, if partner gives me that wide-eyed, "now-what-have-I-done" look, it becomes even easier.

mick

Still no ratings U.P. here.

mick,
If the crowd's all over me, I'll ask.
I've also been know to give that "now-what" look to my part.
Ratings here just this past weekend for me.
barb

[mick]

Originally posted by oatmealqueen

mick,
If the crowd's all over me, I'll ask.
I've also been know to give that "now-what" look to my part.
Ratings here just this past weekend for me.
barb

oatmealqueen,
...Then there are the times when I don't have a clue and I go directly to my partner (like that ?checked? swing).

If partner sees it, I get a direction.

If partner does not see it, I get two thumbs U.P.

Either way, what partner says ... goes.
mick

[tomegun]

JRut and Cingram, I agree with you guys on this one. "We have to get it right" rubs me the wrong way because I view this as a license/reason to ball watch. The way the two of you describe it is right in line with what I think. Like I said before, our goal is to get it right when we start the game so there shouldn't be a need to say it.

Originally posted by Kelvin green

If it is a hard foul, I will step in and tell them I will back up an intentional call or ask if they want intentional.

^huh? That is exactly what I would say if someone came to me with this. I just tried to think of something else to say and I can't because I don't understand why someone would do this. I start out like "well if...." or "when that happens....." but I can't finish it. My thinking would be "you have a whistle and .........." I just ran this by my wife, who has attended and filmed many games, and her first reaction was "why" accompanied by a sour face. I don't get it.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by oatmealqueen
Do many officials feel that it is ok, on a perceived missed OOB call by their partner, to tweet and run in and try to offer info if partner hasn't asked for help?

I can't speak for "many officials", but if I am 100% sure that my partner signaled the wrong direction on an OOB call, I will tweet and tell him/her that I'm positive there was a (fill in color here) touch last.

It doesn't happen often in a 2-whistle game, b/c I am rarely 100% sure of my partner's area. It doesn't happen often in a 3-whistle game, b/c I have very good partners most of the time in my college games.

Just as an aside, can we please get rid of the "110%" nonsense when we have this kind of discussion? When you say 110%, all you're saying is that you're 100% sure. So just say 100%. We'll all understand.

And yes, the hammy's still bothering me.