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Old Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:31pm
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So walking away means you can throw an elbow? And once again, if he had hit a player in the face, I guess your answer is that, "He was walking away, so that makes it OK" too?

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I don't view it as throwing an elbow. I view it as him wrenching his arm free.
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Old Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:33pm
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I don't view it as throwing an elbow. I view it as him wrenching his arm free.
And it appears the officials on the game and the other people here do. Again, you have a right to your judgment. And when this kind of situation happens to you, you can give them a pass. If that happens to me, he will be hitting the showers. Especially in this day and age with video and everything else under scrutiny.

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Old Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:37pm
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And it appears the officials on the game and the other people here do. Again, you have a right to your judgment. And when this kind of situation happens to you, you can give them a pass. If that happens to me, he will be hitting the showers. Especially in this day and age with video and everything else under scrutiny.

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For comparison's sake, I think this should have resulted in an ejection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpcgP4sVUKo

Clearly intentional contact.


The Kuechly incident was just that, incidental contact (initiated by the official) with no malicious intent.

EDIT: Just to clarify, if the official had been next to or in front of Kuechly, I'd view this differently. The reason I oppose the flag and ejection is that he grabbed him from behind and Kuechly had every reason to want to free his arm and continue walking away. If he'd known it was an official, I'd say he shouldn't have let the official keep guiding him.

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Old Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:47pm
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For comparison's sake, I think this should have resulted in an ejection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpcgP4sVUKo

Clearly intentional contact.


The Kuechly incident was just that, incidental contact (initiated by the official) with no malicious intent.
Again, players come in contact with officials all the time. It is different when you are reacting in anger like this Kuechly did. Jackson and the officials crossed paths and IMO was not contacting the official in anger. He might have done it on purpose, but the official was not watching him or having any conversation with him. And since there is no definition in football for incidental contact, you have the right once again to feel it is not a problem, but a player doing thing in anger does not absolve his action or reaction by those around him. He should have walked away and we are not having this discussion. Sorry, but often it is the reaction that gets caught.

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Old Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:56pm
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Again, players come in contact with officials all the time. It is different when you are reacting in anger like this Kuechly did. Jackson and the officials crossed paths and IMO was not contacting the official in anger. He might have done it on purpose, but the official was not watching him or having any conversation with him. And since there is no definition in football for incidental contact, you have the right once again to feel it is not a problem, but a player doing thing in anger does not absolve his action or reaction by those around him. He should have walked away and we are not having this discussion. Sorry, but often it is the reaction that gets caught.

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The point you're missing is that he was walking away the whole time.
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Old Tue Oct 21, 2014, 12:49am
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The point you're missing is that he was walking away the whole time.
Walking away does not absolve you from bad behavior no more than not cursing allows you to act a fool in other ways. You keep being stuck on what direction he was going in rather than knowing when to stop acting like a fool when the play is clearly over.

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Old Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:15am
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Look at this link. Luke Kuechly ejection unjustified, NFL says - ESPN (sorry don't know how to make it a hot link). Apparently the NFL does not agree with the BJ in this case. Now can we let this rest.
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Old Tue Oct 21, 2014, 02:41pm
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Walking away does not absolve you from bad behavior no more than not cursing allows you to act a fool in other ways. You keep being stuck on what direction he was going in rather than knowing when to stop acting like a fool when the play is clearly over.

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Wow. Still missing the point. He wasn't "acting like a fool" at any point. He got ripped off the pile by his neck and was walking away from the play.
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