1st and ten

[jTheUmp]

This is correct in NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rulesets.

In fact, this very situation just happened a little bit ago in the Sunday night Bengals/Patriots game. As usual, the announcers were clueless.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is correct in NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rulesets.

In fact, this very situation just happened a little bit ago in the Sunday night Bengals/Patriots game. As usual, the announcers were clueless.

Not true in the NFL...fouls against officials, no matter when they occur, are enforced as fouls between down.

So in the play that you are referencing, if the penalty would have been UNS for a foul against an official (instead of being a taunt against an opponent), the result after enforcement would be 1st & 25.

[jTheUmp]

Seriously?

I mean, that's a great idea (might as well make it hurt as much as possible if you UNS an official)... but that's something I never thought I'd actually see in a ruleset.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Seriously?

I mean, that's a great idea (might as well make it hurt as much as possible if you UNS an official)... but that's something I never thought I'd actually see in a ruleset.

Yup...here's a case book play:

A.R. 12.112 FOUL AGAINST OFFICIAL
Fourth-and-10 on 50. Punter A1 muffs the snap and is downed at the A35. B2 clips A2 after the play has ended (dead-ball foul). Upset that a foul was called, B2 pushes the Field Judge.

Ruling: B’s ball, first-and-25 on B35. Disqualify B2. Not a multiple foul because all fouls against officials are enforced as fouls between downs. (12-3-1-h)

[Robert Goodman]

They're all fouls between downs, duh. The issue determining the difference between NFL & the other codes is not when the foul occurred or is deemed to have occurred. The issue is when the series of downs begins in relationship to administration.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

They're all fouls between downs, duh.

You missed the point, duh. You were to busy being a smartass to understand.

That point is that whether the foul occurred before or after the ready for play was blown, the chains would still have been reset for 1st and 25 in the NFL. Not the case in NFHS and NCAA.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You missed the point, duh. You were to busy being a smartass to understand.

That point is that whether the foul occurred before or after the ready for play was blown, the chains would still have been reset for 1st and 25 in the NFL. Not the case in NFHS and NCAA.

But that's because when the new series is deemed to be awarded differs between the codes. In the NFL, the series is deemed to have been awarded before the administration of the penalty.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

They're all fouls between downs, duh. The issue determining the difference between NFL & the other codes is not when the foul occurred or is deemed to have occurred. The issue is when the series of downs begins in relationship to administration.

I love it that you punctuated the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while with "duh", as if the other guy was the clueless one.

In the NFL, "fouls between downs" doesn't mean what you apparently think it does.

[Rich]

Apparently one can referee football without actually putting the stripes on.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

They're all fouls between downs, duh. The issue determining the difference between NFL & the other codes is not when the foul occurred or is deemed to have occurred. The issue is when the series of downs begins in relationship to administration.

No.

The NFL has a specific type of foul called a foul between down which is different than a dead ball foul.