1st and ten
 

Team A makes the line to gain for a first down. Clock stops chains are moved and reset. Referee is ready to mark the ready for play (has hand in the air) A 26 comes by and says something bad to referee about his ability. Referee calls an unsportsman 15 yard penalty. He then has the chain crew to reset the chains and it is still 1st and 10 after the 15 yards are marked off. Is this correct? NFHS rules.

This is correct. Had he blown the RFP the penalty would be marked off making it 1st & 25. This is a dead ball foul between downs.

This is correct in NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rulesets.

In fact, this very situation just happened a little bit ago in the Sunday night Bengals/Patriots game. As usual, the announcers were clueless.

Not true in the NFL...fouls against officials, no matter when they occur, are enforced as fouls between down.

So in the play that you are referencing, if the penalty would have been UNS for a foul against an official (instead of being a taunt against an opponent), the result after enforcement would be 1st & 25.

Seriously?

I mean, that's a great idea (might as well make it hurt as much as possible if you UNS an official)... but that's something I never thought I'd actually see in a ruleset.

Yup...here's a case book play:

A.R. 12.112 FOUL AGAINST OFFICIAL
Fourth-and-10 on 50. Punter A1 muffs the snap and is downed at the A35. B2 clips A2 after the play has ended (dead-ball foul). Upset that a foul was called, B2 pushes the Field Judge.

Ruling: B’s ball, first-and-25 on B35. Disqualify B2. Not a multiple foul because all fouls against officials are enforced as fouls between downs. (12-3-1-h)

They're all fouls between downs, duh. The issue determining the difference between NFL & the other codes is not when the foul occurred or is deemed to have occurred. The issue is when the series of downs begins in relationship to administration.

You missed the point, duh. You were to busy being a smartass to understand.

That point is that whether the foul occurred before or after the ready for play was blown, the chains would still have been reset for 1st and 25 in the NFL. Not the case in NFHS and NCAA.

I love it that you punctuated the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while with "duh", as if the other guy was the clueless one.

In the NFL, "fouls between downs" doesn't mean what you apparently think it does.

Apparently one can referee football without actually putting the stripes on.

Happens every Friday night, er Saturday, uh Sunday, mmmm Thursday- Ah just about every day/night of the week.

I still say the Ignore Poster function is a valuable tool:)

I do it plenty in practice.

But that's because when the new series is deemed to be awarded differs between the codes. In the NFL, the series is deemed to have been awarded before the administration of the penalty.

And that exactly what he said, that the NFL is different than NFHS and NCAA. That was his point, in response to jTheUmp who thought NFHS, NCAA and NFL were the same.

There was no need for your smart ass comment.

No.

The NFL has a specific type of foul called a foul between down which is different than a dead ball foul.