1st and ten

benbret · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 09:13am

Team A makes the line to gain for a first down. Clock stops chains are moved and reset. Referee is ready to mark the ready for play (has hand in the air) A 26 comes by and says something bad to referee about his ability. Referee calls an unsportsman 15 yard penalty. He then has the chain crew to reset the chains and it is still 1st and 10 after the 15 yards are marked off. Is this correct? NFHS rules.

referee20 · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 10:47am

This is correct. Had he blown the RFP the penalty would be marked off making it 1st & 25. This is a dead ball foul between downs.

jTheUmp · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 08:37pm

This is correct in NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rulesets.

In fact, this very situation just happened a little bit ago in the Sunday night Bengals/Patriots game. As usual, the announcers were clueless.

APG · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 09:06pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is correct in NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rulesets.

In fact, this very situation just happened a little bit ago in the Sunday night Bengals/Patriots game. As usual, the announcers were clueless.

Not true in the NFL...fouls against officials, no matter when they occur, are enforced as fouls between down.

So in the play that you are referencing, if the penalty would have been UNS for a foul against an official (instead of being a taunt against an opponent), the result after enforcement would be 1st & 25.

jTheUmp · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 09:20pm

Seriously?

I mean, that's a great idea (might as well make it hurt as much as possible if you UNS an official)... but that's something I never thought I'd actually see in a ruleset.

APG · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 05, 2014, 09:30pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Seriously?

I mean, that's a great idea (might as well make it hurt as much as possible if you UNS an official)... but that's something I never thought I'd actually see in a ruleset.

Yup...here's a case book play:

A.R. 12.112 FOUL AGAINST OFFICIAL
Fourth-and-10 on 50. Punter A1 muffs the snap and is downed at the A35. B2 clips A2 after the play has ended (dead-ball foul). Upset that a foul was called, B2 pushes the Field Judge.

Ruling: B’s ball, first-and-25 on B35. Disqualify B2. Not a multiple foul because all fouls against officials are enforced as fouls between downs. (12-3-1-h)