Hide Out Play in MHSAA Championship Game

[Rich]

Every time stuff like this is allowed to happen, it just legitimizes this type of play in others' minds. It's just too bad, really.

[ddn]

Originally Posted by Rich

Every time stuff like this is allowed to happen, it just legitimizes this type of play in others' minds. It's just too bad, really.

Especially when it happens in a championship game.

[ddn]

Found the video: MHSAA - Streaming live high school sporting events from NFHS Network

Go to 1:40:00 in.

HL was just a step on field, you can just see the A player's legs at the 33 yard line.

[HLin NC]

Actually it starts at 1:41:35. I note the wing had been standing in the white on prior plays.

On the previous play, the whole right o-line was off.

I am going to try and download that clip for future training purposes. One of our area schools won a state championship back in '05 pulling a similar stunt.

[maven]

This play is properly penalized as illegal participation, 15 yards from the previous spot. The following case play is similar (the free kick is irrelevant to the ruling).

9.6.4 SITUATION B: Following a kickoff return, A1 and A2 enter the field while A3, A4 and A5 move toward the sideline. A5 stops within the 9-yard marks while A3 and A4 continue to the team box. The ball is snapped without a huddle and the quarterback throws a forward pass to A5, who has gone downfield as a wide receiver.

RULING: This play is illegal because a pretended substitution is used to deceive the opponents. The penalty of 15 yards for the illegal participation foul will be administered from the previous spot since the foul occurred at the snap. (9-6-4c)

[HLin NC]

TV news clip- receiver lined up out of the frame, starts at about :43 in.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by maven

This play is properly penalized as illegal participation, 15 yards from the previous spot. The following case play is similar (the free kick is irrelevant to the ruling).

9.6.4 SITUATION B: Following a kickoff return, A1 and A2 enter the field while A3, A4 and A5 move toward the sideline. A5 stops within the 9-yard marks while A3 and A4 continue to the team box. The ball is snapped without a huddle and the quarterback throws a forward pass to A5, who has gone downfield as a wide receiver.

RULING: This play is illegal because a pretended substitution is used to deceive the opponents. The penalty of 15 yards for the illegal participation foul will be administered from the previous spot since the foul occurred at the snap. (9-6-4c)

I can't really argue with the case play though.

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Where's the tee is USC. This play should be as well, just like 9-9-1


9.9.1 SITUATION B: From a field goal formation, potential kicker A1 yells, “Where’s the tee?” A2 replies, “I’ll go get it” and goes legally in motion toward his team’s sideline. Ball is snapped to A1 who throws a touchdown pass to A2. RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct prior to snap. The ball should be declared dead and the foul enforced as a dead-ball foul. COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusu- al formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to con- fuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.

There's a far more applicable rule:

Originally Posted by ddn

Note that it is the coach who is claiming the officials allowed it and we have no way to know what exactly was described to the officials.

Unless you are talking about all the officials claiming that this play is legal and does not fall under 9-6-4d. Apparently, one state's rules interpreter says this play is legal.

9-6-4d
ART. 4 . . . It is illegal participation:
d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

And case play:

Originally Posted by maven

This play is properly penalized as illegal participation, 15 yards from the previous spot. The following case play is similar (the free kick is irrelevant to the ruling).

9.6.4 SITUATION B: Following a kickoff return, A1 and A2 enter the field while A3, A4 and A5 move toward the sideline. A5 stops within the 9-yard marks while A3 and A4 continue to the team box. The ball is snapped without a huddle and the quarterback throws a forward pass to A5, who has gone downfield as a wide receiver.

RULING: This play is illegal because a pretended substitution is used to deceive the opponents. The penalty of 15 yards for the illegal participation foul will be administered from the previous spot since the foul occurred at the snap. (9-6-4c)

[ddn]

View from other side of the field.

Trick play to win state title in Michigan (West Catholic) - YouTube

[bigjohn]

I know it is IP but it should also count as a USC vs the head coach, if it is second one, bye bye! It is unethical to try to break the rules to score.