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Old Thu Nov 28, 2013, 02:59pm
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3 fouls on one play

Lions/Packers game.

On a play that was a completed pass near the sideline there was offensive holding before the pass, defensive holding before the pass, and a dead ball late hit out of bounds against the defense. 3 flags on the ground.

Under NFHS rules we would offset the two live ball fouls but administer the dead ball late hit correct? If so, the enforcement would be from previous LOS and the down would be replayed after marching off 15 yds. against B.

The NFL R announced that the late hit was declined. I thought that seeded odd.

Do you all agree or am I missing something?
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Old Thu Nov 28, 2013, 06:16pm
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Lions/Packers game.

On a play that was a completed pass near the sideline there was offensive holding before the pass, defensive holding before the pass, and a dead ball late hit out of bounds against the defense. 3 flags on the ground.

Under NFHS rules we would offset the two live ball fouls but administer the dead ball late hit correct? If so, the enforcement would be from previous LOS and the down would be replayed after marching off 15 yds. against B.

The NFL R announced that the late hit was declined. I thought that seeded odd.

Do you all agree or am I missing something?
It was part of the offset. I knew what he meant.

NCAA/NFHS: Yes, we'd offset the previous fouls, march off 15, replay the down (unless the yardage resulted in a first down).
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Old Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:58am
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If so, the enforcement would be from previous LOS and the down would be replayed after marching off 15 yds. against B.

The NFL R announced that the late hit was declined. I thought that seemed odd.
Tiny quibble about your enforcement: you're right that the 2 live-ball fouls would constitute a double foul and the penalties offset. But the DB foul would be administered from the succeeding spot.

In this case, that happens to be the previous spot (not the LOS, which goes all the way across the field). But it would not always be for DB fouls, especially if you had multiple DB fouls on the play.

For NFL, I believe that the DB foul is declined by rule in this situation. He omitted to say that, which made it seem as if the offended team declined it.
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Old Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:31pm
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For NFL, I believe that the DB foul is declined by rule in this situation. He omitted to say that, which made it seem as if the offended team declined it.
Given all the hoo-hah about "player safety", one would think the NFL would re-visit that.
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Old Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:23pm
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Under NFL rules, live ball and dead ball penalties by opponents combine to create a double foul

Rule 14, Section 4, Article 9

Item 3: Live Ball and Dead Ball Fouls. Live Ball Fouls and Dead Ball Fouls combine to create Double Fouls or Multiple Fouls, and all customary rules for enforcement apply
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Old Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:09pm
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Under NFL rules, live ball and dead ball penalties by opponents combine to create a double foul

Rule 14, Section 4, Article 9

Item 3: Live Ball and Dead Ball Fouls. Live Ball Fouls and Dead Ball Fouls combine to create Double Fouls or Multiple Fouls, and all customary rules for enforcement apply
To do that, the dead ball foul(s) has to be in the action immediately following the end of the down, i.e. what NFL used to call a continuing action foul. So that applies in the case of the late hit, but does not invite the mayhem you might suppose, because it would not apply if a few secs. went by and then someone slugged someone.
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