Illegal?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

NCAA Rules.

We all know that the offense can't do anything to make the defense think the snap is not imminent, and then snap the ball.

But what about the kicking team.

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Just another variation of the "barking dog" play. Patently illegal.

[MD Longhorn]

I see the similarity too, that's why I posted it.

But there is no offense, and there is no snap. By what rule do we call this illegal?

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I see the similarity too, that's why I posted it.

But there is no offense, and there is no snap. By what rule do we call this illegal?

This is no different that the basketball video of the player throwing her shoe at a try. It's not specified in the book, but it's most certainly is Unsporting Conduct.

Easy Flag, easier explanation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

This is no different that the basketball video of the player throwing her eat a try. It's not specified in the book, but it's most certainly is Unsporting Conduct.

Easy Flag, easier explanation.

Anyone know what "throwing her eat a try" means?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Anyone know what "throwing her eat a try" means?

..."throwing her SHOe at a try..."

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Anyone know what "throwing her eat a try" means?

It means don't try to type on a laptop with a bagel in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other

[Robert Goodman]

I'm not sure about this one. AFAIK nobody's called it UC when the kicking team huddles near the ball, some players come out of the huddle walking toward their goal line, and others kick and cover the ball. The object's the same, the only difference here being the element of falling down as a way to have the kicking team near the ball.

Would it be unsportsmanlike for a receiver in the middle of a pass route to deliberately fall to the ground? If not to fall to the ground, how about to stop and scratch a pretended itch?

[scrounge]

Now this one I think is easier to call an unfair act, since they not only led the other team to think that a snap/kick was not imminent but ALSO very clearly acted like there was a problem. Not to open up the debate from the other thread of whether both conditions are necessary or that's being too legalistic - no need to worry since both conditions are present here.

But, what's the remedy? The R has authority to impose such penalties as he/she deems necessary to nullify the unfair act. If K recovers, easy call - R gets the ball. But what's to fix here? Unless you nail them for UNS, seems like any penalty is moot.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

The object's the same, the only difference here being the element of falling down as a way to have the kicking team near the ball.

This fake trip is outside the realm of accepted deception.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Would it be unsportsmanlike for a receiver in the middle of a pass route to deliberately fall to the ground?

No, it would however, be incredibly assinine.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

If not to fall to the ground, how about to stop and scratch a pretended itch?

see above