Out of Bounds

[Twag]

I'm having some issues in understanding when a player is Out of Bounds and whether the play clock stops or is wound. Even though it should be fairly simple

The rules states

Rule 4-2-2 . . . The ball becomes dead and the down is ended:

a. When a runner goes out of bounds, is held so his forward progress is stopped or allows any part of his person other than hand or foot to touch the ground.

If A goes OOB's on his own, yes, the play is dead and the clock stops

If A's forward progress is stopped inbounds by B and then forced OOB's, the play is dead and the clock winds

If A, while running forward, get's forced OOB's by B, I'm being told to wind the clock. I don't think this is correct since he is OOB's by rule.

Any thoughts on how to turn strong wills or am I wrong

[Robert Goodman]

I don't know how any of us could be any more convincing than you.

Well, you could ask where the dead ball spot is. When they say it's the out of bounds spot, then you'll say, so why doesn't the out-of-bounds provision apply to timing too?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Twag

If A's forward progress is stopped inbounds by B and then forced OOB's, the play is dead and the clock winds

If A, while running forward, get's forced OOB's by B, I'm being told to wind the clock. I don't think this is correct since he is OOB's by rule.

If your partners don't see the difference between these two, I am not sure you can convince them. Although I'd rephrase a bit... if he's running forward and gets forced out of bounds, what really matters is whether he's still going forward or going backward at the time he goes out of bounds. Just the fact that he's forced out of bounds doesn't really give you the answer one way or the other.

[Reffing Rev.]

Knocked out forwards - clock stops.
Knocked out backwards - progress stopped in the field of play, wind it.

And we are talking game clock not play clock, right.