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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 10:36am
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Hurdling

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Looks like the flag was thrown!!


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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:08pm
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Yes, it was illegal.

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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:16pm
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He didn't even have to refer to the rule book to make the call...
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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 03:38pm
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Youtube comments were hilarious.
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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 03:43pm
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From reading some articles, they seem to indicate this is only a foul in Ohio.
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Old Thu Sep 26, 2013, 04:13pm
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From reading some articles, they seem to indicate this is only a foul in Ohio.
That's because this play only occurred in Ohio.
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Old Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:39am
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Shouldn't the fllag be thrown at the spot of the foul? Is that where he took off or where he went over the B player?
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Old Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:45am
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Since he did nothing illegal until he cleared his opponent, the spot of the foul is where he cleared his opponent.

While the flag seems to be way off the mark, we don't know if they moved the flag to the appropriate spot and enforced the foul from there.
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Old Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:38am
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Shouldn't the fllag be thrown at the spot of the foul? Is that where he took off or where he went over the B player?
The question is slightly ridiculous, since those spots can't be far apart (unless the runner is Jesse Owen). If we're within a yard or two, we're good.

The act began where he left the ground, unless you want to flag his evil intention.
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Old Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:51am
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I just wondered the thinking on this,, sorry it became ridiculous!
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Old Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:48pm
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I saw a play very much like this in a JV game several years ago. I couldn't figure out why the back was still on JV!

Incidentally, this is legal under NCAA rules.
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Old Mon Sep 30, 2013, 03:37pm
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Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.
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Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.
Because it's inherently dangerous. There's no difference between successfully attempting it and just attempting it. Same penalty either way.

Regarding 2 and 3, any time a player does this, he puts himself and the opponent at risk of severe injury. I've seen those videos, and they aren't nearly as fun to watch.
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Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.
See:
Hurdling.mov - YouTube
This rule is all about safety. For the offense, and the defense.
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Old Mon Sep 30, 2013, 06:48pm
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Just like throwing a punch, it doesn't have to connect to be flagrant!
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