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bigjohn Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:36am

Hurdling
 
http://www.chillicothegazette.com/in...es-ESPN-Top-10

Looks like the flag was thrown!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxcCsr0fhk
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JRutledge Thu Sep 26, 2013 02:08pm

Yes, it was illegal. ;)

Peace

asdf Thu Sep 26, 2013 02:16pm

He didn't even have to refer to the rule book to make the call...;)

Adam Thu Sep 26, 2013 03:38pm

Youtube comments were hilarious.

Welpe Thu Sep 26, 2013 03:43pm

From reading some articles, they seem to indicate this is only a foul in Ohio. :)

BktBallRef Thu Sep 26, 2013 04:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 906144)
From reading some articles, they seem to indicate this is only a foul in Ohio. :)

That's because this play only occurred in Ohio. :)

bigjohn Fri Sep 27, 2013 05:39am

Shouldn't the fllag be thrown at the spot of the foul? Is that where he took off or where he went over the B player?

asdf Fri Sep 27, 2013 05:45am

Since he did nothing illegal until he cleared his opponent, the spot of the foul is where he cleared his opponent.

While the flag seems to be way off the mark, we don't know if they moved the flag to the appropriate spot and enforced the foul from there.

maven Fri Sep 27, 2013 08:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 906196)
Shouldn't the fllag be thrown at the spot of the foul? Is that where he took off or where he went over the B player?

The question is slightly ridiculous, since those spots can't be far apart (unless the runner is Jesse Owen). If we're within a yard or two, we're good.

The act began where he left the ground, unless you want to flag his evil intention. :rolleyes:

bigjohn Fri Sep 27, 2013 08:51am

I just wondered the thinking on this,, sorry it became ridiculous!

Texas Aggie Fri Sep 27, 2013 03:48pm

I saw a play very much like this in a JV game several years ago. I couldn't figure out why the back was still on JV!

Incidentally, this is legal under NCAA rules.

hawk65 Mon Sep 30, 2013 03:37pm

Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.
See:
Hurdling.mov - YouTube

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Adam Mon Sep 30, 2013 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 906496)
Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.

Because it's inherently dangerous. There's no difference between successfully attempting it and just attempting it. Same penalty either way.

Regarding 2 and 3, any time a player does this, he puts himself and the opponent at risk of severe injury. I've seen those videos, and they aren't nearly as fun to watch.

OKREF Mon Sep 30, 2013 05:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk65 (Post 906496)
Rule 2-22 says, “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.” This definition raises several questions:
  1. Why just “an attempt?” Is there supposed to be a difference between a player who “attempts” and one who is successful?
  2. If a player makes a superb athletic move and hurdles an opponent without even touching him, why is the penalty the same as if he had kicked, fought, struck an opponent out of bounds or any of the other acts listed as personal contact fouls?
  3. If a player doesn’t even contact an opponent, why is it “illegal personal contact?” It is not clipping if a player “attempts” to do so but whiffs. Nor is it blocking in the back if he “attempts” but whiffs.
See:
Hurdling.mov - YouTube

This rule is all about safety. For the offense, and the defense.

bigjohn Mon Sep 30, 2013 06:48pm

Just like throwing a punch, it doesn't have to connect to be flagrant!


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