End of Wisconsin - Arizona State game

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Let's remember that opinions on the "stupidity" of this play (or the OP being a "fanboy") should be irrelevant to the discussion of the officiating of this play.

Disagree, in so far as the stupidity of the play has an effect on how the officials can be expected to respond.

Originally Posted by Adam

Disagree, in so far as the stupidity of the play has an effect on how the officials can be expected to respond.

Shouldn't officials be prepared to officiate any play that comes up in their games, regardless of how "stupid" they think it is?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Shouldn't officials be prepared to officiate any play that comes up in their games, regardless of how "stupid" they think it is?

I think you are missing the point. The team that wants the officials to put the ball in play quickly, does something that caused confusion. If the Wisconsin player wanted to take a knee, hold on to the damn football so that you can give it to the nearest official. Then no one thinks there is a fumble. No one can take the ball away from being put in play. This is why teams in the hurry up style are now getting tackled and instead of celebrating or doing something silly, they take the football to the nearest official. Why? Because they want the ball put back in play ASAP. What the QB should have done is hand the ball to the Umpire, instead of setting it down where anything could have happened to it. And this has been taught for years in hurry up situations long before the Spread or Oregon played this fast paced offense. So when you set the ball down where and official has run and get the ball behind your lineman, yes that was stupid. It is stupid because they are the ones that wanted the ball to be put in play quickly and when you would not do that any other time in that situation and now complain the ball was not put back in play.

Peace

[bigjohn]

What is it everyone tells me, still photos are worthless!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

What is it everyone tells me, still photos are worthless!!!!

To call fouls. Yes they are worthless. This is not a foul.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Wow. I'm embarrassed. Embarrassed that the officials on this site seem to be 100% in defense of the actions by this crew. Fanboy or not, the OP is correct. Stupidly executed play by the QB no doubt - but surely we're not forgiving the crew on this play simply because the player's form was not perfect. Good grief, people.

The worst part, to me, was the umpire standing up having a conversation with a defensive lineman while precious seconds fade away. There is no question the crew needs to be more aware of the clock than this crew was.

So, that said, has anyone heard if there was any disciplinary action taken?

(PS - most definitely NOT the worst I've ever seen. Oregon vs OU had 2 or 3 plays alone that top this. Both 5th down plays. Nebr-Mich failed Stanforesque ending ... all of these were far worse.)

[qcumpire]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Wow. I'm embarrassed. Embarrassed that the officials on this site seem to be 100% in defense of the actions by this crew. Fanboy or not, the OP is correct. Stupidly executed play by the QB no doubt - but surely we're not forgiving the crew on this play simply because the player's form was not perfect. Good grief, people.

The worst part, to me, was the umpire standing up having a conversation with a defensive lineman while precious seconds fade away. There is no question the crew needs to be more aware of the clock than this crew was.

So, that said, has anyone heard if there was any disciplinary action taken?

(PS - most definitely NOT the worst I've ever seen. Oregon vs OU had 2 or 3 plays alone that top this. Both 5th down plays. Nebr-Mich failed Stanforesque ending ... all of these were far worse.)

My thoughts exactly. Not only were they reprimanded by their own conference supervisor, but the Big 10 supervisor of officials is on record saying they did not handle the situation correctly.

Many times in a inter-conference game like this one, the on-officials come from the visiting team's conference, while the replay official comes from the home team's conference.

I know that wasn't the case here and that the on-field officials were from the Pac 12. My question is, what conference was the replay official from? If he is from the Big 10, will he receive any sanctions from that conference?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you are missing the point. The team that wants the officials to put the ball in play quickly, does something that caused confusion. If the Wisconsin player wanted to take a knee, hold on to the damn football so that you can give it to the nearest official. Then no one thinks there is a fumble. No one can take the ball away from being put in play. This is why teams in the hurry up style are now getting tackled and instead of celebrating or doing something silly, they take the football to the nearest official. Why? Because they want the ball put back in play ASAP. What the QB should have done is hand the ball to the Umpire, instead of setting it down where anything could have happened to it. And this has been taught for years in hurry up situations long before the Spread or Oregon played this fast paced offense.

News to me. When you stand up holding the ball, players tend to think it's still live. Why is it any clearer than leaving the ball on the ground, which is what officials have asked players to do since 1905?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

News to me. When you stand up holding the ball, players tend to think it's still live. Why is it any clearer than leaving the ball on the ground, which is what officials have asked players to do since 1905?

That's not what he suggested...he said the QB, after taking a knee, should have handed the ball to the nearest official, instead of spotting it himself...which the QB even admitted himself.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by APG

That's not what he suggested...he said the QB, after taking a knee, should have handed the ball to the nearest official, instead of spotting it himself...which the QB even admitted himself.

I know it's not what he suggested, but it's what I coach. I'm not having my players look around for an official. It's the official's job to get the ball. I've also never heard an official ask for such service from a player, I just hear them tell them to get off the ball, leave the ball, etc. Having the players deliver the ball to them or wait there for them to come pick it up delays the game, at least insofar as it affects my players. If they attempt to throw the ball to an official, the delay can be even greater.

As it appears from the photos, the player in this case spotted the ball perfectly. He even left the laces up for his snapper!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I know it's not what he suggested, but it's what I coach. I'm not having my players look around for an official. It's the official's job to get the ball. I've also never heard an official ask for such service from a player, I just hear them tell them to get off the ball, leave the ball, etc. Having the players deliver the ball to them or wait there for them to come pick it up delays the game, at least insofar as it affects my players. If they attempt to throw the ball to an official, the delay can be even greater.

As it appears from the photos, the player in this case spotted the ball perfectly. He even left the laces up for his snapper!

I do not know about you, but I probably work more games then you coach at both the college ranks and the high school ranks. At the college level we are used to the football being thrown to us by even those that are not as accurate with their tosses. At the high school level we do not have ball boys, so that is how we often get the ball back to our umpire. Rarely have a problem. And once again, it was to Wisconsin's advantage to give the official the ball themselves. Instead they allowed confusion and you see what happened. They lost.

You can point fingers all day long, but I tend to look at what I could have done instead of saying why someone else was at fault. I can only control what I do. I can never control what others do.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I know it's not what he suggested, but it's what I coach. I'm not having my players look around for an official. It's the official's job to get the ball. I've also never heard an official ask for such service from a player, I just hear them tell them to get off the ball, leave the ball, etc. Having the players deliver the ball to them or wait there for them to come pick it up delays the game, at least insofar as it affects my players. If they attempt to throw the ball to an official, the delay can be even greater.

As it appears from the photos, the player in this case spotted the ball perfectly. He even left the laces up for his snapper!

That's your team...coach them as you see fit. Sure it's the official's job to get the ball, but the team that hands it to the official makes the job quicker and easier for the official. If you feel your team doesn't have the ability to quickly find the nearest official, then by all means tell them to just drop the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Shouldn't officials be prepared to officiate any play that comes up in their games, regardless of how "stupid" they think it is?

Yes.

[hbk314]

The Pac-12 reprimands officials from Arizona State-Wisconsin game - CBSSports.com

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hbk314

The Pac-12 reprimands officials from Arizona State-Wisconsin game - CBSSports.com

But are you going to be happy with anything less than them never working again?