Tobacco

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Originally Posted by bigjohn

How about you just paddle the coach at halftime or suspend him for a quarter!

How about just giving the coach a choice.....

Swallow it or ejection ..........

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

You guys all are forgetting the most important thing here. The football field, basketball court, baseball diamond or whatever surface your sport is played on isn't just an extra-curricular site. It is an extension of the classroom and at the high school level we as officials are educators too. It is our responsibility to enforce sportsmanship and other rules. As an educator you would not allow any sort of tobacco in your classroom and that is what the football field is, a classroom.

And for those of you that say this isn't a safety rule, try checking this out.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pict...GoPmqQHljoDICQ

You could get killed driving to or from the game, too. It just seems a far-fetched cx.

And no, I don't think it's an extension of the classroom. Extramural sports are entertainment, a way to blow off steam that happens to be connected to schools for arbitrary reasons. They may get out of phys. ed. for a term by playing a sport, but that's about as far as the cx to instruction goes.

[bigjohn]

That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.

Most coaches have an inflated idea of their importance. But in that, they're no different from others in "education".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.

Maybe, in theory, but if you start applying the same behavior standards on the field that they employ in the classroom, they'd have a cow.

The concept holds true, but it's not exactly the same.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

You guys all are forgetting the most important thing here. The football field, basketball court, baseball diamond or whatever surface your sport is played on isn't just an extra-curricular site. It is an extension of the classroom and at the high school level we as officials are educators too. It is our responsibility to enforce sportsmanship and other rules. As an educator you would not allow any sort of tobacco in your classroom and that is what the football field is, a classroom.

I'm not forgetting anything. I simply don't agree with your analogy.

The field or court is an extension of the classroom for the student-athletes. On that, we agree.

But if it's an extension for the coaches then that's where administrators come in. They should insure that their coaches don't chew, spit or smoke in the classroom, on the field or the court. It has nothing to do with the rules of the game.

[miller1276]

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

[Robert Goodman]

At least the officials didn't get involved in this one. The article didn't make clear whether he was a player.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by miller1276

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

That's a coach's answer. Clearly you shouldn't be shaking down the sideline for tobacco but sometimes it is something that gets thrown in OUR lap.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by miller1276

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

Are you a coach?

Next thing you'll do is keep my nose out of the dugout when the manager is screaming at me. Oh, wait. Wrong sport.

[HLin NC]

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

Same answer I get when I enforce the restricted area. Seems nobody cares about official and/or coaches safety.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by miller1276

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

Tell the rules committee, then. Those coaches seem to think we do need to enforce this.

Other than that...
What Welpe said.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That's a coach's answer. Clearly you shouldn't be shaking down the sideline for tobacco but sometimes it is something that gets thrown in OUR lap.

Amen. Should it any different if somebody was drunk? Lord knows I've had my share of tipsy chain crew guys...

[CT1]

Originally Posted by miller1276

IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

Nobody "looks for trouble". These rules are there for us to use when, for example, we get sprayed by an angry coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CT1

Nobody "looks for trouble". These rules are there for us to use when, for example, we get sprayed by an angry coach.

You don't need the tobacco rule for this, IMO.