Helmet comes off during a tackle, due to prior foul?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asdf

Seeing A32's compound fracture, the crew kills the play so that she can be attended to immediately.


There is nothing in the book that tells us to kill the play, yet we killed it anyway. B's head coach, irate at first, understood fully when he saw A32's injury, not that it made a difference to us.

MD.... you gonna swallow the whistle on this because the rules don't tell you to blow it?

Most plays take no more than 7 seconds and you stopped a play that probably would not take much more then this.

And if my crew did that and gave that example, we would be in a lot of trouble here.

And I have players with many fractures, concussions and many ambulances on the field and never felt like I could or would stop play just because someone had a serious injury. As a matter of fact the play is usually over before anyone realizes a player is that hurt. And if I did notice, I would keep officiating. Just because your crew did something once upon a time ago (and it is telling it was 10 years ago) does not make it right. Glad I am not on your crew.

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if my crew did that and gave that example, we would be in a lot of trouble here.

Baloney

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Glad I am not on your crew.

The feeling is mutual.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asdf

Baloney

Applying your own rules when there is rules support for specific action gets you in trouble here. And messing up a rule and certainly calling an IW is not seen in a great light either. And if I gave your justification, I would be in bigger trouble. Certainly would be the case at the NCAA level as the coaches would send such tape to the supervisor and then I would have to answer for such a thing. I have had to answer for less then this and things not on tape. I would have to answer for this.

Originally Posted by asdf

The feeling is mutual.

No, it is not.

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Applying your own rules when there is rules support for specific action gets you in trouble here. And messing up a rule and certainly calling an IW is not seen in a great light either. And if I gave your justification, I would be in bigger trouble. Certainly would be the case at the NCAA level as the coaches would send such tape to the supervisor and then I would have to answer for such a thing. I have had to answer for less then this and things not on tape. I would have to answer for this.




No, it is not.

Peace

First, this play is a High School play, so the NCAA level means nothing to me. (A typical response from you when you know you are wrong, just change the rule set to suit your response)

Next, I would be able to defend to any superior, my decision to kill the play citing a real danger to the runner. (apparently you think no danger existed)
I would not be able to defend to any superior, judge, or jury my decision not to stop the play that resulted in serious injury to said runner.

Finally, we are both glad that you are not on my crew, thus making the feeling mutual.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asdf

First, this play is a High School play, so the NCAA level means nothing to me. (A typical response from you when you know you are wrong, just change the rule set to suit your response)

Well just so you know these recent rules about the helmet came directly from the creation of the NCAA, not the NF. It is one of the rare occasions that the NF adopted an NCAA rules and they did not make the wording so ambiguous or come short of the actual intent. That is why I reference the NCAA because that is who though of how to handle these situations.

Also in the situation you referenced a play that involved a fracture. And then you acted like it was no big deal to stop play all together.

Originally Posted by asdf

Next, I would be able to defend to any superior, my decision to kill the play citing a real danger to the runner. (apparently you think no danger existed)
I would not be able to defend to any superior, judge, or jury my decision not to stop the play that resulted in serious injury to said runner.

Finally, we are both glad that you are not on my crew, thus making the feeling mutual.

Again, that play you described has happened many times in football. You are not the first to deal with a compound fracture as an official, let alone a football official. I have seen that happen many times over my career and never did anyone discuss to stopping the play dead in the middle. I am not trying to be funny, but with games with an ambulance on site and trainers on each sideline, it is hard to imagine a football field not being one of the safest places to have such an injury. And most of all the play will be over in seconds if not already over when the injury is discovered. I do not see this rush to stop things or better yet, I would like to know how you even realize there is such an injury if you are doing your job? The main reason I also say I am glad I am not on your crew, because these kinds of situations where people have tried to "Do what they feel is right" is the reason crews get fired or they do not get other opportunities. And it is certainly the case here as you are applying a standard that has no rules support. What is to say there are not other situations where the minute someone is hit hard and acts like they are hurt more then usual and you stop play because you have projected a safety issue onto the situation? Only to come to find out they were not as hurt as it first appeared? Sorry, I just have issue with that thinking. This is not like basketball or soccer where the play is continuous and we must stop play to address injuries.

Peace