Concussion Rule in Ohio

[bigjohn]

. He was noticeably wobbly after the game as he walked with quarterbacks coach Nes Janiak and his father, boys basketball coach Bob Krizancic, from the field.
“He’s OK. He got a little dinged up,” Trivisonno said of Krizancic. “He played his tail off. He had a great game. (Moeller) didn’t stop him, either.”

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

. He was noticeably wobbly after the game as he walked with quarterbacks coach Nes Janiak and his father, boys basketball coach Bob Krizancic, from the field.
“He’s OK. He got a little dinged up,” Trivisonno said of Krizancic. “He played his tail off. He had a great game. (Moeller) didn’t stop him, either.”

Written by a guy that wasn't on the field.....

Keep trying though, it's entertaining

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by asdf

Written by a guy that wasn't on the field.....

Keep trying though, it's entertaining

Being "noticeably wobbly" is imho an apparent symptom of a concussion, namely dizziness/poor balance. That this was dismissed as "dinged up" tells you all you really need to know about the team's commitment to the player's health and their observation of the law.

And though there's a chance this was a late onset symptom, it's likely that he was displaying this symptom during the game if he was still displaying after the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Being "noticeably wobbly" is imho an apparent symptom of a concussion, namely dizziness/poor balance. That this was dismissed as "dinged up" tells you all you really need to know about the team's commitment to the player's health and their observation of the law.

And though there's a chance this was a late onset symptom, it's likely that he was displaying this symptom during the game if he was still displaying after the game.

The problem is officials should not be making these decisions in the first place. For one there are times when we do not even see players actually leave the field. We have other responsibilities and often are not looking that closely at every player and this law just clearly does not understand the thought process of officials in a game. And only coaches, trainers, teammates and parents would know what a player is doing before, during and after a game to know if something is truly wrong.

Peace

[Altor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For one there are times when we do not even see players actually leave the field.

I just want to point out that the Ohio law does not require an official to keep a removed athlete from returning to competition unless he/she removed them from the contest in the first place (or had knowledge that the player was removed by somebody else for that reason).

I don't think the General Assembly is expecting the officials to know that a coach removed a player for a possible concussion and then sent him back in the game. But, if the official suspects a concussion and has the player removed, that official (and I hope the rest of the crew, whom he should have told) does have a legal duty to see that he stays off the field.

I skimmed over the last page of comments or so in this thread. And I'm not sure anybody has actually said that the officials should have removed him. Bigjohn's beef seems to be against the coaching staff/trainers, which make me wonder why he's posting about it here.

[bigjohn]

Because the rules and laws and memos from the DOD all seem to say that the officials ARE responsible for not letting a kid return to play that day, if anyone removed him, for what appear to be head injury, concussion like symptoms. It was clear when watching the game live on TV, never said I was in the stands, that the kid was dinged. Meaning he was a bit groggy. He came back in a threw a TD and played and appeared to be OK. The point is, he WAS removed for concussion symptoms and the rule and state law say he should be done for the day. He was not.

Who is at fault?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Who is at fault?

Originally Posted by ORC Sec. 3313.539

(E)(1) If a student is removed from practice or competition under division (D) of this section, the coach or referee who removed the student shall not allow the student, on the same day the student is removed, to return to that practice or competition or to participate in any other practice or competition for which the coach or referee is responsible.

Unless you have knowledge that an official was the one who removed the athlete for a possible concussion, you're posting on the wrong forum.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Because the rules and laws and memos from the DOD all seem to say that the officials ARE responsible for not letting a kid return to play that day, if anyone removed him, for what appear to be head injury, concussion like symptoms. It was clear when watching the game live on TV, never said I was in the stands, that the kid was dinged. Meaning he was a bit groggy. He came back in a threw a TD and played and appeared to be OK. The point is, he WAS removed for concussion symptoms and the rule and state law say he should be done for the day. He was not.

Who is at fault?

Keep trying John....

A player is on the bench, complains that his head hurts, is evaluated by a MD who tells the HC said player is done due to the concussion protocol.

Nobody tells the officials.......

Said player "feels better" and enters the field after a change of possession (after he talked to an assistant) and participates in the next series......

How is the official responsible if he's not notified?

And again......how do you know what the trainer /doctor observed when he/she was on the filed attending to the player?

You don't know...... stop guessing !!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

I skimmed over the last page of comments or so in this thread. And I'm not sure anybody has actually said that the officials should have removed him. Bigjohn's beef seems to be against the coaching staff/trainers, which make me wonder why he's posting about it here.

If what you are saying is true, than this is really not the place to post this honestly. If you claim officials are not expected to take players out of the game, than what the hell does that have to do with us here? We are not for the most part coaches or trainers. And BJ is making it sound like the officials were not dong their job, that is what he does here. And if the law is clear, there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what role officials actually play. I have no problem with a concussion policy, just do not put the officials as the main people responsible for what is noticed for symptoms of a medical condition. Once again the public thinks we have special powers because we have a stripped shirt on our back.

Peace

[Altor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

just do not put the officials as the main people responsible for what is noticed for symptoms of a medical condition.

I don't think the law does put the officials as "the main people" responsible. They are, however, some of the people responsible. I guess I see it more as a shared responsibility.

It doesn't matter whether it is a coach or an official, whomever sees the concussion symptoms had a responsibility to remove the athlete and keep them from returning.