Fed test question:

[Ref1973]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I do not believe the fundamental was intended to apply in this situation. This isn't the first time the Fed has done something of this nature. I look at the Fundamentals like rules of thumb, good to follow but you need to have a holistic view of the rules to apply them properly.

Without looking at the fundamentals, it is clear that this is a safety due to the kick being the force that places the ball in K's end zone. If the rules all line up, do not sweat the fundamentals in this case.

I agree with everyone that it is a safety without consideration of the fundamental. That is pretty obvious.

However, this is the first time I've ever encountered a contradiction to a fundamental statement. Can anybody cite others?

[bisonlj]

Which fundamental are you concerned about? #3 under Downs? Another example where this isn't absolutely true is if R possesses it (thus touching it), fumbles, and K returns it for a TD. A new series is not given to K.

[Rich]

Personally, I think the fundamentals should be removed from the rule book. They are completely unnecessary to the running of a game and, as we are finding out, aren't necessarily universal.

[ump33]

Table 6-4 (Page 55) is very clear ...

IF THE KICK BECOMES DEAD IN K’S END ZONE

If the force is:
1. The kick or any other new force by K.

Then the ruling is:
1. Safety, if the kick is out of bounds or K has
possession, including when the ball is loose

Since K's kick is what put the ball in the endzone, K better get it out of there.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ump33

Table 6-4 (Page 55) is very clear ...

IF THE KICK BECOMES DEAD IN K’S END ZONE

If the force is:
1. The kick or any other new force by K.

Then the ruling is:
1. Safety, if the kick is out of bounds or K has
possession, including when the ball is loose

Since K's kick is what put the ball in the endzone, K better get it out of there.

The rules are very clear. I don't think anything else is being argued here.

[bigjohn]

and if R recovers it in the end zone it is a TD so K better just take the safety and kick it away.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

and if R recovers it in the end zone it is a TD so K better just take the safety and kick it away.

Their best option would be to advance it out if possible. In NCAA the ball is dead as soon as they gain possession. They don't have option of running out.