SC vs Mich

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Our wings did not let us down, because that is our crew philosophy. It does not bother us one bit to measure on close measurements. It may bother you or others on your crew, not a problem for us.

And I love the college mentality too, because I heard a crew chief make that "We are not measuring today" crap last year, but on the crew happened to be a D1 official. The D1 official took big time opposition to that feeling and said basically that was the wrong position to take. And even went on to say about video tape and how people can see what you do.

No one is letting us down, we just feel that we should measure close spots and not all spots are clearly behind or beyond the line. And certainly harder if those are in the middle of the field where one of the hash marks is the first down marker and yes coaches think you screwed up if you just signal.

Peace

I always measure when it's needed, but 4-5 times a game seems way excessive. YMMV (and clearly does).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I always measure when it's needed, but 4-5 times a game seems way excessive. YMMV (and clearly does).

As I stated we are OK with it. I think we have a job to do and it seems to me that is part of our job. We are most of all accused of having an agenda and that takes away that part of their gripe.

Peace

[JasonTX]

I may have had 5 measurements all season long. We rely upon the line judge to determine if we will measure. I am the R and I look to him to tell me if we are short or if it's a first. The game moves smoothly and the coaches appreciate that we don't slow down the game for a useless measurement. The line judge has a straight down the line view and he makes a judgement. The times that we measured were in crucial situations such as 4th down towards the end of the half or game and the game wasn't yet decided.

[bisonlj]

If you are on a well-marked field and the LJ is aware of the LTG he can do a lot to help reduce the number of necessary measurements. If he squares in like he's supposed to he can come in a half yard short or just beyond the LTG depending on how he feels the play ended. If it's too close to call go with what you have and measure. It's no different than making a ruling at the goal line or a runner going out of bounds near the LTG.

[Rich]

The last two posts sum up my view perfectly.

[JRutledge]

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

Non-sequitir much?

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

We know you are going to do what you do and that is fine. I think the point everyone is making is your crew's practice and philosophy is counter to everything you see in the NFL and D1 as well as most of us on this forum. That makes you very unique in this particular practice. Are you at least willing to acknowledge that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I always measure when it's needed, but 4-5 times a game seems way excessive. YMMV (and clearly does).

I am confident I have had a total of four or five measurements in my entire football career.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I am confident I have had a total of four or five measurements in my entire football career.

You worked 1 game, and it was with Rut?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You worked 1 game, and it was with Rut?

That's funny.

[JRutledge]

Well I am the back judge so I have absolutely no say in when or if we measure a spot. Again I do not see the big deal, but if it bothers others I guess people like to get upset about something when they officiate.

Peace

[CT1]

Seems to go in cycles for me.

Had one HS season a few years ago where we had no measurements the entire season, probably because we had mostly blowout games.

OTOH, had a game this year where we measured three times in a half. They were all v-e-r-y close, and all on the opposite side of the field from the chains, which brought some snide comments from the volunteer chain crew.

If it's close in a competitive game, or if it's a crucial situation late in the game (even if it's not all that close), we measure. In a blowout -- almost never.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well I am the back judge so I have absolutely no say in when or if we measure a spot. Again I do not see the big deal, but if it bothers others I guess people like to get upset about something when they officiate.

Peace

Not sure it bothers people... just strikes them (and me) as very odd. 4-5 in a career (Adam), conversely, seems quite low. I'd say we probably average slightly less than 1 a game in games with a real chain crew... significantly less than that when it's kiddos running the chains.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not sure it bothers people... just strikes them (and me) as very odd. 4-5 in a career (Adam), conversely, seems quite low. I'd say we probably average slightly less than 1 a game in games with a real chain crew... significantly less than that when it's kiddos running the chains.

Rut is just twisting things again.