What would you do?

wyo-referee · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:38pm

First off, B wasn't delaying any, the QB for A was just trying to get his ball carrier off the turf so they could spike the ball. But, when he dwarf tossed the B player and I will say it wasn't to be unsporting in my mind, I think adrenaline kicked in. I called the PF for doing this because you just can't dwarf toss a player out of the way. If it was in the middle of the field with 5 minutes to go and there isn't an official on here that would let that go. I backed them up, set the ball and wound the clock in a normal fashion. They did get the ball spiked, but missed the FG. A's coach was pissed because he felt his team was penalized also. I followed the book and I don't think you can overlook a dead ball PF that is out in front of the whole stadium.

WestCoaster · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 22, 2012, 10:05pm

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Originally Posted by wyo-referee

First off, B wasn't delaying any, the QB for A was just trying to get his ball carrier off the turf so they could spike the ball. But, when he dwarf tossed the B player and I will say it wasn't to be unsporting in my mind, I think adrenaline kicked in. I called the PF for doing this because you just can't dwarf toss a player out of the way. If it was in the middle of the field with 5 minutes to go and there isn't an official on here that would let that go. I backed them up, set the ball and wound the clock in a normal fashion. They did get the ball spiked, but missed the FG. A's coach was pissed because he felt his team was penalized also. I followed the book and I don't think you can overlook a dead ball PF that is out in front of the whole stadium.

Well then it sounds like you did the right thing.

bigjohn · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:36am

In this specific situation the referee should
wind the clock and end the game without giving A an opportunity to put the ball
in play

If A runs runs the ball with less than ten seconds and no timeouts, you can not give them a chance to stop the clock because of a foul, no matter what it is.

I don't blame Bs coach, had A made the FG and then won in OT I would have been writing to the state!

HLin NC · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:45am

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I would have been writing to the state

Bigjohn, trust me, either side would be writing to the state in this scenario. In fact it would be more likely to be a phone call to the SoO's mobile.

bigjohn · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:52am

I still say you don't call anything on A to stop the clock in that situation, now if B fouls, you call it and stop the clock.

Rich · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:05am

I work basketball as well as football and there's a case play that involves a team (B) trying to stop a team (A) from inbounding after a made goal when there's less than 5 seconds left on the clock, the clock is running, and B is out of timeouts. The officials are to ignore the violation/TF and keep the clock running.

Personally, I'd like to think I'd have enough clock awareness to step in between the players and let the clock expire without running another play. I'd pass on the foul and let the clock run.

There is a difference between this happening in the middle of the second quarter and with 6.7 seconds left in the game when A has no time outs remaining.

My only concern with this method is this -- what if A is able to get to the line and spike it with time still on the clock EVEN WITH the clock still running? Now A is 15 yards closer than they should be and it's impossible to put the genie back into the bottle. I think it's one of these situations where we have to be sure that A can't get off another play. If we're not, we need to kill it, enforce the foul, and then decide if we're going to allow A to run another play. I'd be tempted to spot the football and wind the clock quickly in this situation.