Coach going across the field

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by kdf5

No, just when a coach walks 55 to engage another coach in an argument.

Inventing rules is fun.

I'm pretty sure that on most of our fields, we, or some other official on our crews, would have stopped this guy LONG before he got halfway. And if he blew through our stop sign, sure, penalize him... But if for some crazy reason we did not try to stop him from crossing the field, I can't see a penalty here assuming he does as described in the OP and doesn't "start something".

[Forksref]

I was not at the game so I don't know if anyone tried to stop him but it sounds like no one did.

I had this coach a few years ago and there was an injury TO. He went to the injured player and then started walking to his team's huddle which was about 10 yds away from the injured player. I told him he couldn't do that during an injury TO and he said he could. Whack! USC foul. This is the type of guy he is.

This situation in the OP is one to put into our memory banks and be ready for it.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Inventing rules is fun.

Hey, you're the one who said it wasn't a foul. I merely pointed out that it is. I didn't invent anything. Get over yourself.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by kdf5

Hey, you're the one who said it wasn't a foul. I merely pointed out that it is. I didn't invent anything. Get over yourself.

Nothing to get over, sir. And no offense intended. You quoted a rule that does not apply, then when questioned on it, implied you would use that inapplicable rule in the situation at hand. Sounds like rule inventing to me, but I'm open to hear your explanation (hopefully an actual explanation rather than a flippant response). I STILL say it's not a foul. Not as described in the OP.

[legend]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Nothing to get over, sir. And no offense intended. You quoted a rule that does not apply, then when questioned on it, implied you would use that inapplicable rule in the situation at hand. Sounds like rule inventing to me, but I'm open to hear your explanation (hopefully an actual explanation rather than a flippant response). I STILL say it's not a foul. Not as described in the OP.

You would have to call something here. If he is able to get past all of the officials and make it to the other sideline, you absolutely have to flag him. You have to put him on notice that his blatent disregard for our authority won't be accepted. This guy is proably the type of guy who always thinks the rules don't apply to him, and by putting this in the memory bank you have done a disservice to every official in the chapter for which you work. Also a flag for this action may potentially keep him in check for future situations, If not then he should become accoustomed to being flagged for unsporting actions.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by legend

You would have to call something here. If he is able to get past all of the officials and make it to the other sideline, you absolutely have to flag him. You have to put him on notice that his blatent disregard for our authority won't be accepted. This guy is proably the type of guy who always thinks the rules don't apply to him, and by putting this in the memory bank you have done a disservice to every official in the chapter for which you work. Also a flag for this action may potentially keep him in check for future situations, If not then he should become accoustomed to being flagged for unsporting actions.

Our job is not to put coaches "on notice", nor is it to "keep them in check". You sound like an baseball umpire.

Other than offending your sensibilities and thoughts on decorum, what RULE VIOLATION did the coach in the original post commit?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Our job is not to put coaches "on notice", nor is it to "keep them in check". You sound like an baseball umpire.

Other than offending your sensibilities and thoughts on decorum, what RULE VIOLATION did the coach in the original post commit?

If the coach went across the field to confront another coach, they did a few rules violations IMO. Rule 9-8-1 says that the examples that are given are not limited to those actions listed in the rule. Now that might not be what some are looking for, but not sure I would just let it go if a coach did this or any sport for that matter. And yes on some level we are there to keep coaches and players from crossing lines. That is not a baseball thing, that is a sports officials thing. We do the same thing in basketball too and put a stop to actions of coaches and players or they will suffer the consequences.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Our job is not to put coaches "on notice", nor is it to "keep them in check". You sound like an baseball umpire.

Other than offending your sensibilities and thoughts on decorum, what RULE VIOLATION did the coach in the original post commit?

First off, an authorized conference during a timeout can't be held in that location (in front of an opponent's bench) so if you wish to find a rule, there's one. That's enforced as UNS, BTW.

Secondly, the officials have wide latitude for calling UNS in just about any situation where it's warranted. Doesn't sound like the visit was to discuss where the coaches were going for afternoon tea.

Thirdly, the swipe against baseball umpires is unnecessary. I'm a baseball umpire and a football official. My role is no different on either field.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

First off, an authorized conference during a timeout can't be held in that location (in front of an opponent's bench) so if you wish to find a rule, there's one. That's enforced as UNS, BTW.

Secondly, the officials have wide latitude for calling UNS in just about any situation where it's warranted. Doesn't sound like the visit was to discuss where the coaches were going for afternoon tea.

Thirdly, the swipe against baseball umpires is unnecessary. I'm a baseball umpire and a football official. My role is no different on either field.

Well said.

[WestCoaster]

Originally Posted by Rich

First off, an authorized conference during a timeout can't be held in that location (in front of an opponent's bench) so if you wish to find a rule, there's one. That's enforced as UNS, BTW.

Secondly, the officials have wide latitude for calling UNS in just about any situation where it's warranted. Doesn't sound like the visit was to discuss where the coaches were going for afternoon tea.

Thirdly, the swipe against baseball umpires is unnecessary. I'm a baseball umpire and a football official. My role is no different on either field.

This is correct. The rules governing this situation are in 2-6-2. This coach is allowed on the field during a timeout. We see unauthorized conferences all the time, either a sideline conference that wanders outside the numbers or a between the nine conference where more than one coach comes out. We correct these situations with a warning, and if they comply and correct the error immediately, no flag is thrown. This situation is the same. He should be warned that he may not be past the hash mark on the opponents side of the field, and if he doesn't comply, he should be flagged for USC. The fact that no one stopped or warned him makes it a stretch for me to flag him in this situation.

[Reffing Rev.]

We had a game situation where a coach who started the game with 13 and after 3 injuries and being down by 30 wanted to speak to the opposing coach about shortening the game, which is possible by mutual consent of the opposing coaches and the Referee. He called a timeout and calmly walked out to the WH and informed him what he wanted to do and the two of them calmly walked over to the opposing sideline and then we all went home.

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

We had a game situation where a coach who started the game with 13 and after 3 injuries and being down by 30 wanted to speak to the opposing coach about shortening the game, which is possible by mutual consent of the opposing coaches and the Referee. He called a timeout and calmly walked out to the WH and informed him what he wanted to do and the two of them calmly walked over to the opposing sideline and then we all went home.

Then he did things properly. He went to the WH to explain an unusual situation and the WH calmly and professionally (from the way you described it) escorted him to the other sideline so they could have a discussion like adults. That isn't the only way to do things in an unusual situation, but it does seem acceptable and certainly within the spirit of the rules.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by legend

You would have to call something here. If he is able to get past all of the officials and make it to the other sideline, you absolutely have to flag him. You have to put him on notice that his blatent disregard for our authority won't be accepted. This guy is proably the type of guy who always thinks the rules don't apply to him, and by putting this in the memory bank you have done a disservice to every official in the chapter for which you work. Also a flag for this action may potentially keep him in check for future situations, If not then he should become accoustomed to being flagged for unsporting actions.

How, exactly, did he disrespect our authority --- given that no one told him to stop? You say he thinks rules don't apply to him ... yet there's no rule being broken here. And in the OP, nothing unsporting happened. We are not given that conversation - and since nothing volatile happened after he went over there - it could have been something entirely inoccuous. I grant that no self-respecting official would have let him all the way across the field, but in the OP that's exactly what happened.

[legend]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

How, exactly, did he disrespect our authority --- given that no one told him to stop? You say he thinks rules don't apply to him ... yet there's no rule being broken here. And in the OP, nothing unsporting happened. We are not given that conversation - and since nothing volatile happened after he went over there - it could have been something entirely inoccuous. I grant that no self-respecting official would have let him all the way across the field, but in the OP that's exactly what happened.

ok then you let him walk across your field .... He wouldnt be walking across mine...thats all im saying....and when I get the "whats the problem I did it last week and there wasn't an issue" I would tell said coach to find the previous weeks official and ask him why he could't control his game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by legend

ok then you let him walk across your field .... He wouldnt be walking across mine...thats all im saying....and when I get the "whats the problem I did it last week and there wasn't an issue" I would tell said coach to find the previous weeks official and ask him why he could't control his game.

I think you missed my point.

NO. I would not let him walk across my field. And if he blew through my stop sign he'd be flagged, and likely reported (to whatever authority matters depending on the level of the game). But in the OP, there was no official there stopping the guy.