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Old Mon May 14, 2012, 10:32pm
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Well I did forget about the Thursday Night games every week. I guess that could be a problem for some. I just know usually they have to be there a day before or early on the day of the game on Thursdays. That might change considering this will be an every week issue now for the staff. Something also tells me that many are not going to have to work those games but only so often. But who knows, I am sure I will find out more about that this summer.

As it relates to the D1 thing, I guess that would depend on the conference. Not all conferences play on weekdays. I know the Big Ten does not do that at this time, so not an issue here, but would be in other parts of the country.

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Old Mon May 14, 2012, 11:27pm
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My point in a nutshell was that even with a normal, noon Sunday game, its a full weekend plus 12-15 hours during the week for video, testing, etc. If I tried to get in a full 40-45 hour workweek, I'm not sure I could keep that pace for more than a month or two. Just compared to a D1 schedule, that's a stiff time commitment. And I know a lot of guys that have quit working college ball (mostly DII and lower) due to travel and time commitment vs. the pay.
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 12:57am
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My point in a nutshell was that even with a normal, noon Sunday game, its a full weekend plus 12-15 hours during the week for video, testing, etc. If I tried to get in a full 40-45 hour workweek, I'm not sure I could keep that pace for more than a month or two. Just compared to a D1 schedule, that's a stiff time commitment. And I know a lot of guys that have quit working college ball (mostly DII and lower) due to travel and time commitment vs. the pay.
Funny you say that. I worked with a guy from Texas that flew to Illinois in for an NAIA game on a Saturday. That day we happened to work the eventual National Champion that night early in September. I guess it really depends on what you want to consider too much time and travel. Not saying I would do that at all, but it appears someone is willing to put in the travel and time.

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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 04:27pm
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When I was in my 20s and even early 30s, I would have flown anywhere. Even though I'm fairly lucky to be centrally located and near an airport, the pay for D2 and lower games in both football and basketball really isn't worth the trouble. I won't be D1 in hoops and I might be D1 in football (luckily, years of lower college games is not a requirement like in hoops), but if not, that's fine. But, as stated, if the NFL went full time, I would certainly consider applying.

How about you? You once said you focused your career so you could officiate. Major college hoops would be tough (lower level no problem though fewer games), but you could still work baseball as a full time NFL guy. Would you make the jump?
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Old Tue May 15, 2012, 04:50pm
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When I was in my 20s and even early 30s, I would have flown anywhere. Even though I'm fairly lucky to be centrally located and near an airport, the pay for D2 and lower games in both football and basketball really isn't worth the trouble. I won't be D1 in hoops and I might be D1 in football (luckily, years of lower college games is not a requirement like in hoops), but if not, that's fine. But, as stated, if the NFL went full time, I would certainly consider applying.

How about you? You once said you focused your career so you could officiate. Major college hoops would be tough (lower level no problem though fewer games), but you could still work baseball as a full time NFL guy. Would you make the jump?
Well my business was not doing so well so I went back to school to get an advanced degree before I did not have time to do it later in life. I am still in the process of doing that and officiating is really not that important at this point as it once was. I have achieved the highest levels in HS in both football (twice) and baseball so at this point any college I do is gravy. Now I was never in a position or needed to be in a position to fly anywhere as where I am located most places are within driving distance. I have worked college football the last few years and if I ever get a shot at the higher levels I do not have to move or go anywhere. I work mostly college basketball compared to my other sports and that opportunity is also here as well to work that level. I am probably too old to ever be realistically considered at the NFL level, but I would probably be able to do so if the opportunity opened up (just dreaming here of course). I still might have a very outside chance at D1, but unlikely based on all the dynamics that are going on in this area.

I do not want you to think I was being critical of you, because I was not. Just trying to understand why you felt you could never work at the NFL level if picked. I also do not have kids and I am not married so the choices I have to make only affect me. I could chase a dream for a little while where others might have to make a family decision. But I am like many who have done this for awhile and what I once wanted to do is not as important anymore. I just want to have fun more than chasing a dream that is not likely to happen based on other life issues.

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Too old?? Isn't Dick Jorgensen still out there?
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Too old?? Isn't Dick Jorgensen still out there?
I am not too old to officiate, but maybe too old to get in at a good age.

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My point in a nutshell was that even with a normal, noon Sunday game, its a full weekend plus 12-15 hours during the week for video, testing, etc. If I tried to get in a full 40-45 hour workweek, I'm not sure I could keep that pace for more than a month or two. Just compared to a D1 schedule, that's a stiff time commitment. And I know a lot of guys that have quit working college ball (mostly DII and lower) due to travel and time commitment vs. the pay.
Why would you need/want a full time job if you were in the NFL? Working part time, they make a very nice living.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 04:54pm
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Why would you need/want a full time job if you were in the NFL? Working part time, they make a very nice living.
Let's assume I'm making $80-100k in my real job while working D1 ball (assume another $15k for college), I would be taking a huge pay cut to only make $40-$50k as a first year NFL official. I could try to pick up something in the offseason but it would be hard to find something that would make up the difference.

If you are going to keep the NFL pay the same the only guys you are going to get to work full time NFL on a regular basis are probably in the $50k or less range. And that would significantly reduce your candidate pool. If you raise starting NFL pay to say $80k to close the gap you'll increase your candidate pool but what more are you going to have them do during the week as full-time officials? It's not likely to make them better officials but you just paid a lot more for their services.

The nature of football and games only being weekly allows job flexibilty that baseball, basketball, and hockey don't allow. Guys do need flexible jobs
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 06:24pm
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Most of the NFL officials are high movers- attorneys, self-employed businessmen, top sales reps. The same drive that makes them successful in their vocation makes them successful at the highest level of their avocation.
They have the ability to do their job AND study rules, take tests, watch video, and travel the country 16+ weeks a year.

I doubt there are many of them that punch a clock or have the type job where the boss says "Nope, I need you this Sunday in the shop."
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 09:55pm
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As is currently stands the NFL officials make well into the six figures for their jobs as officials. I don't think that making them full time will improve the officiating.

Those guys didn't get to where they are b/c they're under achievers. The most televised game in the world and they make very, very few mistakes.
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Old Mon May 28, 2012, 08:40pm
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As is currently stands the NFL officials make well into the six figures for their jobs as officials. I don't think that making them full time will improve the officiating.

Those guys didn't get to where they are b/c they're under achievers. The most televised game in the world and they make very, very few mistakes.
Some eventually make six figures but they don't starting out. I believe the game fee for a rookie is around $2500. Assume they work 16 games that comes to $40k. Not bad for a "part-time" gig.
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As is currently stands the NFL officials make well into the six figures for their jobs as officials. I don't think that making them full time will improve the officiating.

Those guys didn't get to where they are b/c they're under achievers. The most televised game in the world and they make very, very few mistakes.
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