4th and 5+/-inches then Def. Encroachment

[APG]

Originally Posted by kdf5

I guess you're right. I only see all NFL and NCAA crews doing it. What do they know?

I believe that's only for the beginning of drives...

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I believe that's only for the beginning of drives...

You can get it done the easiest on change of possessions and long gains for first downs. Generally you can usually get it on a first down outside the red zone too. If you can find a way, do it. It makes life a lot easier.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You can get it done the easiest on change of possessions and long gains for first downs. Generally you can usually get it on a first down outside the red zone too. If you can find a way, do it. It makes life a lot easier.

Don't get me wrong... crappy field on a Tuesday, junior high kids manning the sticks... I'm aiming for a line when possible too.

But JV, Varsity, NCAA, NFL - no way. AT MOST, on a COP.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Don't get me wrong... crappy field on a Tuesday, junior high kids manning the sticks... I'm aiming for a line when possible too.

But JV, Varsity, NCAA, NFL - no way. AT MOST, on a COP.

This is probably the #1 suggestion I've received from Umpires at the D1 and NFL levels. If at all possible on all new series (not just COP), start on a line. In very few instances does spotting the ball a couple inches forward or backward make a difference. Your wings can help a lot by marking their spot on a line.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I believe that's only for the beginning of drives...

This is correct (at least for the Pac-12). I've done the chains at my alma mater for years. The HL gives us the same briefing every week.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by kdf5

I guess you're right. I only see all NFL and NCAA crews doing it. What do they know?

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I believe that's only for the beginning of drives...

APG is correct. The NFL definitely does not do this on scrimmage plays. There is much evidence that they do it on kicking plays with changes of possession.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

APG is correct. The NFL definitely does not do this on scrimmage plays. There is much evidence that they do it on kicking plays with changes of possession.

So the NFL umpires that have said to do it whenever possible on the start of a new series were....making things up? Smoking crack? All of the above?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Welpe

So the NFL umpires that have said to do it whenever possible on the start of a new series were....making things up? Smoking crack? All of the above?

I've seen many times where forward progress is marked where it is, without starting on an integral yard line.

[Hand Signals]

Our crew always starts on a yard line except for one turf field in the area that doesn't have hash marks. When the HL or LJ are marking progress on a long run that is way past the LTG they always stop on the closest tick. It all works out in the game and nobody seems to notice and it makes life easier for all.

[McMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I've seen many times where forward progress is marked where it is, without starting on an integeryard line.

The math teacher in me had to correct this.

But I do agree with most of the conversation that working as an L, setting the chains on a yard line does make it a lot easier when working with the injured (read physically) JV/Varsity players who have no clue what they are doing. I have not watched close enough on NCAA/NFL games to see if this happens at those levels.

[JugglingReferee]

Thanks.