Obligatory 16 yard Hail-mary video

[bigjohn]

What part of his body was touching the ground before the ball was released?

is held so his forward progress is
stopped

Mike there are 3 ways to be down, no?

[jTheUmp]

I know you're trolling, but I can't resist...
If you're going to say that his forward progress is stopped on this play, then you could also argue that a quaterback standing motionless in the pocket is also down (after all, his 'forward progress' is stopped if he's just standing there, right?).

[bigjohn]

and since the ball was dead.

USC on A's QB

ART. 2 . . . When the ball becomes dead in possession of a player, he shall not:
a. Intentionally kick the ball.
b. Spike the ball into the ground.
c. Throw the ball high into the air or from the field of play or end zone.
d. Intentionally fail to place the ball on the ground or immediately return it to
a nearby official.

[JugglingReferee]

R throws a flag for IG, and then his second flag for USC.

So not only are we taking away a touchdown, we are going to enforce a loss of down, and then 15 more yards on top of that, giving: 4D/31 @ B-35.

[bigjohn]

no IG, he was down.

[RadioBlue]

If he was down, how can you have an IFP? The play was over.

[APG]

I must say...this is trolling at the next level. Can't really believe this is being entertained.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

no IG, he was down.

I disagree. Neither of his knees touched the ground before he threw the ball.

I also wouldn't rule that forward progress was stopped. Mike Carey properly let Eli Manning play through an in-the grasp situation that is now called among the best non-calls in Super Bowl history.

[Zebraman79]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I disagree. Neither of his knees touched the ground before he threw the ball.

I also wouldn't rule that forward progress was stopped. Mike Carey properly let Eli Manning play through an in-the grasp situation that is now called among the best non-calls in Super Bowl history.

I agree great no call on the Miracle play!! Mike and Don Carey support our local association with instructional advice and come to our annual officials banquet every year. We are very fortunate that these gentlemen take the time to help our program.

As for Big John I think he is most definitley a troll

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I disagree. Neither of his knees touched the ground before he threw the ball.

I also wouldn't rule that forward progress was stopped. Mike Carey properly let Eli Manning play through an in-the grasp situation that is now called among the best non-calls in Super Bowl history.

I think Mike Carey ran to the wrong goal line to set up for a kickoff today. The camera caught him running the other way with an embarrassed smirk on his face. Even the top dogs have brain cramps sometimes.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I know you're trolling, but I can't resist...
If you're going to say that his forward progress is stopped on this play, then you could also argue that a quaterback standing motionless in the pocket is also down (after all, his 'forward progress' is stopped if he's just standing there, right?).

BJ is more than capable of being an idiot completely on his own... you don't have to help. In this case, you're simply wrong - so great job supporting his case. Congrats.

(Can't find where you're wrong and your sitch does not fit the rule? Look for the word "held" in that rule if you can't.)

[MD Longhorn]

Here's the deal... The wording of the rule is wrong. BJ has pointed that out (about 12 times). He is right that the wording of this rule, to be completely correct, needs the word "incomplete" in the table section of the rule.

There. I've just agreed with BJ.

I think I just threw up a little.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

is held so his forward progress is
stopped

Mike there are 3 ways to be down, no?

It's a judgement call. Judgement is something that all of us use every week. It's something which is refined and hammered and polished week in, and week out by those of us who work hard to do so.

It's also something you obviously lack.

[bigjohn]

If you're going to say that his forward progress is stopped on this play, then you could also argue that a quaterback standing motionless in the pocket is also down (after all, his 'forward progress' is stopped if he's just standing there, right?).

the rule says, " held" so that his forward progress is stopped.

I know it is a judgement call but don't you think he was stopped? Would you defend that call?


There are other illegal forward passes besides GROUNDING!