Punt blocked, can I punt again?

[PA-28-181]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

mbcrowder, i guess you can use the old saying "never assume because it makes an"---- you know the rest. When I started working football our association met once a week and I'm sure I asked all kinds of stupid question that an old vet would roll his eyes at. If anyone there replied to a question the way you did, I would tell them to pound sand & never come back. All he was asking was a simple question, if you don't like it or it's beneath you to give an answer than don't! Just hit your back arrow and go to a different page.

[MD Longhorn]

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Interesting, you read into other's posts things you know nothing about. I guess this does not work when people take your words and take from it what they like.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

OK, but this is a discussion board, people tend to ask questions that seem elementary to many of us that is what happen here. This is not a proving ground for everyone's knowledge. And I agree people should try to find out things, but often it is they do not know where to look. I will in about an hour go to a meeting where rules will be discussed and still we will talk after the meeting about situations and circumstances and even disagree until someone pulls out the rulebook. And then we still might not agree because the rules are not always clear in every situation and we need to get a ruling or interpretation from our higher-ups to tell us what should be done. Not everyone is a rules maven.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

No you are not the only one. And I can admit I have probably done this over the 10 years of time I have been here as well, but I have learned teaching younger officials that they do not know everything or that fans do not know much of anything either. And if he came here accusing the officials of screwing up then that is one thing, but it was just a question.

Peace

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You're reading into my post an arrogance that was not there.

Perhaps my error was to assume he was an official ... but I did (given the name REFUMPIRE, and given that this is a website for officials, I don't think that is THAT bad of an assumption).

I guess I just tire of the laziness I see here. If an official needed the answer to that question, there's this great book he can go to to find out the answer. People learning one little tidbit by having people answer such questions - and learn a lot more by finding the answer themselves. (And I think you all know that). Maybe I was brusquer than I needed to be - but that was where my thought process was when posting.

You all are acting as if I'm the first person ever who saw a ridiculously simple question like this one and told the poster to look it up. Rich even alludes to it in his response - that if asked this question at a meeting he'd steer the person toward the book. Obviously ... he'd do it nicer than I did... but the idea is the same even if the manner isn't.

MB:
I'm with the majority here. You were out of line. While possibly not your intention, your response smacked of arrogance and intolerance.

The answer to any question on this forum could be, "Look it up!!" Kinda circumvents the whole idea of a football officiating rules forum, huh?

Perhaps we should only stick to questions about black pants vs. knickers?

[Zebraman79]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

My apologies then ... but surely you can understand the assumption that you are an official, given that you chose the name REFUMPIRE. Yes?

your name is funny thats what I call myself when we work 3 man because the referee is also the umpire!!!

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by REFUMPIRE

Punter gets the kick blocked behind the neutral zone and the ball comes right back to him, can he punt it again? Can you refer me to a rule one way or the other? Thanks!

There's nothing against this in any of the major codes. I even saw video about a year ago where a place kick got blocked, came back to the holder, the kicker had backed up to "reload", and the kicking team almost had time to get off another place kick!

There was a time in Fed rules where possession by a player of team K killed the ball; they got rid of that about 15 yrs. ago. Also, none of the major codes now allow a 2nd forward pass during a down, even if the 1st pass was blocked.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Also, none of the major codes now allow a 2nd forward pass during a down, even if the 1st pass was blocked.

Indeed. We had this in the 2002 Apple Cup. Picket's pass hit a lineman, bounced back to him, and he threw a second pass for a TD. It was called back for an illegal forward pass.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Indeed. We had this in the 2002 Apple Cup. Picket's pass hit a lineman, bounced back to him, and he threw a second pass for a TD. It was called back for an illegal forward pass.

Then I hope that game wasn't played under Federation rules, because at that time multiple forward passes were legal!

[HLin NC]

Apple Cup

That's the Washington-Washington State game.