Drop kick for kickoff

[glyphrunner]

The drop kick comes at 1:32 in the video:
Pulaski Academy Onside Kicks vs Cabot - Sept 9, 2011 - YouTube

Per rules 2-24-5/6 and 6-1-2, I have no problem with using a drop kick for a free kick, and the drop kick occurs at the free kick line.

Where I am curious is the first player running up, picking up the ball from the tee, and backward passing the ball to the kicker. I ask only because I have never seen this before and would like feedback.

[BktBallRef]

Once the spot is designated, the ball cannot be moved. Moving the ball in this way would be a free kick infraction, 5 yards penalty.

[glyphrunner]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Once the spot is designated, the ball cannot be moved. Moving the ball in this way would be a free kick infraction, 5 yards penalty.

I definitely see your point on this, and I think I would call it a FKI. Playing devil's advocate, though, I will submit the following:

Rule 6-1-2: "Once designated, K must kick from that spot."
It does not say anything about the ball being moved, and if you stop the video at the point of contact for the kick, he is actually kicking the ball right at the original kicking tee. So, we could say K kicked the ball from the designated spot.

[Robert Goodman]

Isn't drop kicking the ball from within 1 yard of the spot considered kicking from the spot? I do think the player who tossed him the ball was offside, though.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by glyphrunner

I definitely see your point on this, and I think I would call it a FKI. Playing devil's advocate, though, I will submit the following:

Rule 6-1-2: "Once designated, K must kick from that spot."
It does not say anything about the ball being moved, and if you stop the video at the point of contact for the kick, he is actually kicking the ball right at the original kicking tee. So, we could say K kicked the ball from the designated spot.

I've read that argument and don't buy it. The spot is on the tee, on the ground. That's the spot he designated when he tee'd up. Drop kicking it is not kicking it from the tee where he spotted it.

Further, as Robert said, when the player who doesn't kick the ball touches it, he has also committed a refraction.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I've read that argument and don't buy it. The spot is on the tee, on the ground. That's the spot he designated when he tee'd up. Drop kicking it is not kicking it from the tee where he spotted it.

Further, as Robert said, when the player who doesn't kick the ball touches it, he has also committed a refraction.

That's not what I meant. At the time the ball was kicked, the player who passed the ball to him looked like he was ahead of the ball.

[With_Two_Flakes]

If it is considered that this play might be legal (ignoring the possible offside by the kid who starts it off), then perhaps we should take it to its absurd conclusion. How much of this messing about with throwing the ball from player to player WOULD be allowable? Would it be allowed to be thrown backwards by A1 to A2, then forwards by A2 to A3 and then kicked? What if there were two forward "passes"? What if it was batted to the eventual kicker?
Would the only consideration be to kill the play if they exceeded the 25 second count?

I'm not a Fed Rules expert, we use NCAA over here in Europe. I can't find a specific rule in my 2010 Fed book (or indeed in my NCAA book) that I could say specifically outlaws this play. But for me, common sense deems it illegal. My gut feeling is that once the ball is blown ready, if they want to drop kick it then the kid who kicks it better be the only one who handles it. But I have no rule reference to back that up.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I've read that argument and don't buy it. The spot is on the tee, on the ground. That's the spot he designated when he tee'd up. Drop kicking it is not kicking it from the tee where he spotted it.

Further, as Robert said, when the player who doesn't kick the ball touches it, he has also committed a refraction.

Devil's advocate: can a team not change their mind about using a tee after the RFP or some other delineating point?

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Further, as Robert said, when the player who doesn't kick the ball touches it, he has also committed a refraction.

Rule reference, please.