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Old Thu Sep 15, 2011, 12:24pm
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Sounds like we're all in violent agreement.
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Old Thu Sep 15, 2011, 12:37pm
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Sounds like we're all in violent agreement.
I guess my question is, who decides their part of the penalty enforcement first? Isn't it Team A since they would have the ball as result of the play (minus the penalties)?

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Old Thu Sep 15, 2011, 12:41pm
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You go in the order of how they happened. Start with B's captain for the IF penalty, then go to A's captain for the BIB penalty.
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Old Thu Sep 15, 2011, 12:49pm
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You go in the order of how they happened. Start with B's captain for the IF penalty, then go to A's captain for the BIB penalty.
You're right, but for the wrong reasons. The team last in possession gets the first choice. Since "B" had team possession when the ball became dead, they get the first choice. (10-2-2)
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Old Thu Sep 15, 2011, 01:59pm
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My bad. For some reason I was linking this to the enforcement of dead ball fouls. Probably don't want to do that...
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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 12:47pm
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I also have to change my mind on changing my mind. If B's BIB ends up being accepted, the enforcement spot is the 20, not the spot of the foul. Basic spot for enforcement after a touchback is the 20. It's a defensive foul (since A has the ball now), so enforcement is from the basic spot.

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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 01:59pm
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The correct answer has been posted in numerous formats.

1. The result of the play is a touchback.
2. B gets first choice of penalty acceptance, since they were last in possession.
3. They will accept the IF penalty, which results automatically in a double foul, and we'll replay the down.
4. If B foolishly declines the penalty for A's foul, A gets a choice and will accept the BIB penalty: 10 yards from the basic spot, which is the A20 after the touchback, so 1/10 for A from the A30.
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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 02:13pm
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4. If B foolishly declines the penalty for A's foul, A gets a choice and will accept the BIB penalty: 10 yards from the basic spot, which is the A20 after the touchback, so 1/10 for A from the A30.
I don't know if I would say foolishly. The OP never says where the ball was snapped from. If A snapped the ball from B's 10, then I think that I would be declining the IF penalty.
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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 02:14pm
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The correct answer has been posted in numerous formats.

1. The result of the play is a touchback.
2. B gets first choice of penalty acceptance, since they were last in possession.
3. They will accept the IF penalty, which results automatically in a double foul, and we'll replay the down.
4. If B foolishly declines the penalty for A's foul, A gets a choice and will accept the BIB penalty: 10 yards from the basic spot, which is the A20 after the touchback, so 1/10 for A from the A30.
If wouldn't be so foolish for B to accept the penalty if the play started at the B10.
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Old Fri Sep 16, 2011, 02:23pm
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If wouldn't be so foolish for B to accept the penalty if the play started at the B10.
Tired of being wrong on the other thread, decided to try to be wrong here too? Oops.

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Wouldn't the for B's foul be enforced under all but one since they were the offense at the time of the foul? I don't see how A can accept the penalty for B's foul and keep the ball.
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Wouldn't the for B's foul be enforced under all but one since they were the offense at the time of the foul? I don't see how A can accept the penalty for B's foul and keep the ball.
Meh. I think you're right.
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Old Mon Sep 19, 2011, 01:09pm
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The correct answer has been posted in numerous formats.

1. The result of the play is a touchback.
2. B gets first choice of penalty acceptance, since they were last in possession.
3. They will accept the IF penalty, which results automatically in a double foul, and we'll replay the down.
4. If B foolishly declines the penalty for A's foul, A gets a choice and will accept the BIB penalty: 10 yards from the basic spot, which is the A20 after the touchback, so 1/10 for A from the A30.
B's foul occurred during a running play. The basic spot is the end of the run, not the touchback. The touchback is the succeeding spot which is where the ball would be next snapped if a foul had not occurred (2-41-10)

1. The result of the play is a TB.
2. B gets first choice since they got the ball with clean hands.
3. If B accepts the IF: we have a double foul.
4. If B declines the IF: we then give A their choice of accepting or declining.
5. If A accepts the IBB the foul is marked off under ABO.
6. If A declines, we have two declined fouls and the result is the TB, A gets a new series as any team does following a TB.

The only logical choice for B is to accept the IF and replay the down. 10-2-2.

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Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 02:00pm
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I think we almost have it.

1. The result of the play is a TB.
2. B gets first choice since they got the ball with clean hands.
3. If B accepts the IF: we have a double foul, if A accepts the BIB. Replay the down.
4. If B declines the IF: we then give A their choice of accepting or declining.
5. If A accepts the BIB the foul is marked off under ABO using the 20 yardline because the result of the play was a touchdown. However, B would get the ball 1st and 10 at the 30 because no foul causes loss of possession!
6. If A declines, we have two declined fouls and the result is the TB, A gets a new series as any team does following a TB.
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B's foul occurred during a running play. The basic spot is the end of the run, not the touchback. The touchback is the succeeding spot which is where the ball would be next snapped if a foul had not occurred (2-41-10)

1. The result of the play is a TB.
2. B gets first choice since they got the ball with clean hands.
3. If B accepts the IF: we have a double foul.
4. If B declines the IF: we then give A their choice of accepting or declining.
5. If A accepts the IBB the foul is marked off under ABO.
6. If A declines, we have two declined fouls and the result is the TB, A gets a new series as any team does following a TB.

The only logical choice for B is to accept the IF and replay the down. 10-2-2.
Probably depends on the position of the previous spot. Previouse down and distance might matter as well.
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