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what do you have???
A lines up in a "tight" formation. QB and 2 RBs very close to the LOS. The center snaps to a different one at different times. The backs are maybe 2 yds behind the linemen. Snaps are usually of a short shotgun variety. However a couple times last night the snapper rolled the ball back to the backs. It didn't short hop them, he actually rolled it. Intentionally or not we don't know...what say you do we have anything here??
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 10:25am
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The American codes require the ball to be snapped via either a passing or handing of the ball. So then look up the definition of pass, and you'll see that sliding or rolling the ball on the ground doesn't qualify. The Fed definition specifies "in flight", and the NCAA rule implies that a pass must start out in flight because the point where it touches the ground (if it doesn't touch a player first) determines whether it's a forward or backward pass. If the ball rolls all the way from the hand of the player who initiates it to the player who first touches it, by NCAA it can't legitimately be said to have been a backwards pass! The portion of the snap that's in flight could be very brief before it starts to roll, bounce, or skid, but you do need that little bit of air under the initial part of its course for it to qualify as a backwards pass and hence a legal snap. It can bounce, skid or roll the remaining 90% of the way, say, after traveling thru the air the 1st 10%, and it's legal. I don't know how you proceed under the current rules if the snap never gets off the ground -- i.e. whether you allow the ball to become live and flag for illegal snap, or the ball remains dead as a false start -- but you flag it regardless. Last edited by Robert Goodman; Tue Sep 13, 2011 at 10:29am.
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 10:54am
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An illegal snap is a dead ball foul. The down can not start with an illegal snap. Quote:
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 12:14pm
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Since it sounds like the snap was quick, continous and immediately left the centers hand(s), and definately touched the ground before touching a lineman, I would say this was a legal snap and play on. However, if any of these things does not happen, then it would be an illegal snap and the ball would be blown dead.
Since a snap is defined in the rule book(s) you do not use the definition of a pass to determine legality of the snap.
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 12:18pm
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 12:21pm
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how does this happen
How does it immediately leave his hands before touching the ground if he rolls it???
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 12:24pm
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Can a backwards pass be rolled? as the snapper is moving the ball backwards it has to be passed or thrown to get it rolling, now if he turns the ball on the ground it is a snap infraction.
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 01:08pm
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 01:12pm
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Honestly, having trouble seeing this as illegal in any ruleset. At worst, it's a planned loose ball. I doubt that a single one of you would rule an illegal snap if a center fouled up a shotgun snap to the degree that it never left the ground ... especially if B recovered it. Nothing in the definition of pass requires the ball begin off the ground or leave the ground at any point.
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 01:24pm
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SECTION 31 PASSING
ART. 1 . . . Passing the ball is throwing a ball that is in player possession. In a pass, the ball travels in flight.
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 01:45pm
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ART. 1 . . . A snap is the legal act of passing or handing the ball backward from its position on the ground. (THAT REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN MET) ART. 2 . . . The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. In a snap, the movement must be a quick and continuous backward motion of the ball during which the ball immediately leaves the hand(s) of the snapper and touches a back or the ground before touching any A lineman. (THIS REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN MET).... ART. 3 . . . The snap ends when the ball touches the ground or any player.... (THIS REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN MET...and the ball is now a loose ball the second it leaves the snapper's hand(s)
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Tue Sep 13, 2011, 03:31pm
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I'd rule it as a fumbled snap. Legal and play on. If Team A wants to jeopardize their possession like that, all the power to them.
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