Penalty Enforcement

[mtridge]

I am having a disagreement with a crew member and like 99% of people I have problems translating the all but one principle so your help would be greatly appreciated.

On a normal run past the LOS the penalty enforcement for holding is from the spot.

On a run that never crosses the LOS and the run ends behind the spot of the foul where is your enforcement spot? Is it the same for NCAA?

Thanks everyone for the help.

[mbyron]

There are two teams, either offense and defense.

A foul is either beyond or behind the basic spot.

All fouls by the offense and the defense are enforced from the basic spot BUT ONE: fouls by the offense behind the basic spot are enforced from the spot of the foul.

Now can you answer your own question?

[HLin NC]

On a normal run past the LOS the penalty enforcement for holding is from the spot.

Normally, but not always.


NF: All fouls BUT one are enforced from the basic spot. (aka 3 and one)

All but = 1) Foul by B beyond the basic spot, 2) Foul by A beyond the basic spot, 3) Foul by B behind the basic spot.

The One= Foul by A behind the basic spot.

What are the basic spots?

Running play = end of the run
Loose ball play = previous spot

Now given this, what do you say?

I think in NCAA, they don't penalize A behind the basic spot but the previous spot, i.e. a hold by A behind the LOS, penalize from previous spot.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

I think in NCAA, they don't penalize A behind the basic spot but the previous spot, i.e. a hold by A behind the LOS, penalize from previous spot.

For NCAA:

Not all fouls go back to the previous spot. All the different fouls for illegal blocks and personal fouls do go back the previous spot. Those that don't would be illegal batting, kicking, illegal passes. Those would be from the spot of foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by mtridge

On a normal run past the LOS the penalty enforcement for holding is from the spot.

The LOS has nothing to do with either play.

You haven't given us enough information to answer the question.
Where is the end of the run?
Where is the spot of the foul?

On a run that never crosses the LOS and the run ends behind the spot of the foul where is your enforcement spot?

If the foul is by the offense and beyond the basic spot (the end of the run) the penalty is assessed from the end of the run.

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by mtridge

I am having a disagreement with a crew member and like 99% of people I have problems translating the all but one principle so your help would be greatly appreciated.

On a normal run past the LOS the penalty enforcement for holding is from the spot.

On a run that never crosses the LOS and the run ends behind the spot of the foul where is your enforcement spot? Is it the same for NCAA?

Thanks everyone for the help.

You asked- "On a normal run past the LOS the penalty enforcement for holding is from the spot."

My answer- On a running play the basic spot will be the end of the run. The penalty will be enforced from the basic spot unless it's a penalty by A behind the basic spot. So on a normal run if the penalty occurred behind the end of the run the penalty would be enforced from that spot. If it occurred beyond the end of the run, the enforcement spot would be the end of the run.

You asked- "On a run that never crosses the LOS and the run ends behind the spot of the foul where is your enforcement spot? Is it the same for NCAA?"

My answer- It would be enforced from the end of the run, even if that is behind the original LOS. I'm not sure what it would be in NCAA..

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

The penalty will be enforced from the basic spot unless it's a penalty by A behind the basic spot.

Not correct. The one kind of foul enforced from the spot of the foul is a foul by the offense behind the basic spot, which could be B after a change of possession.

[mtridge]

Thanks for the help, in short you reaffirmed my thinking. Now comes the hard part, winning an arguement with lawyer

[HLin NC]

winning an arguement with lawyer

Give him money.