Illegal shift/motion or not

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Maybe Fed rules are different but a single lineman moving is NEVER a "shift". A "shift" requires 2 or more by definition.

The only times I can think of when you might have illegal motion and illegal shift at the same time are:
1 - 2 players are moving before the snap and do not reset for 1 sec and 1 of them also happens to be moving towards the line of scrimmage at the snap or
2 - 2 players are moving before the snap and do not reset for 1 sec and 1 of them also happens to be a lineman who never stopped and established himself as a "back" (NCAA Rules)

NFHS rules are different, and do not define a shift in terms of 2 or more A players moving. (2-39: "A shift is the action of one or more offensive players who...")

Your play 1 is two fouls, not one foul that's both illegal shift and illegal motion.

Your play 2 sounds like an illegal shift and illegal formation.