horse collar in EZ

[phansen]

NFHS

Team A is on their own 2 yard line. QB A1 scrambles in the end zone and is tackled by horse collar in the end zone by B1. How is the penalty enforced?

[BoBo]

My first thought is the run ended in the end zone. The Penalty Enforcement Spot should be the end of the run. In this scenario the I am enforcing the penalty from the goal line with the ball ending up on A's 15 yardline

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by phansen

NFHS

Team A is on their own 2 yard line. QB A1 scrambles in the end zone and is tackled by horse collar in the end zone by B1. How is the penalty enforced?

NF: 10-5-2, "The enforcement spot for any foul by the defense is the goal line when the run ends in the end zone and would result in a safety."

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by ajmc

NF: 10-5-2, "The enforcement spot for any foul by the defense is the goal line when the run ends in the end zone and would result in a safety."

This can't be a safety!

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

This can't be a safety!

It would have been if B had not fouled.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

This can't be a safety!

Of course not... another example of the classic FED and NCAA run-on sentence. Throw in a comma - they really mean that if the play WOULD HAVE resulted in a safety (sans the penalty), the enforcement spot is the goal line.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Of course not... another example of the classic FED and NCAA run-on sentence. Throw in a comma - they really mean that if the play WOULD HAVE resulted in a safety (sans the penalty), the enforcement spot is the goal line.

Thank you...it is early but no that early.

[JRutledge]

The result of the play is a safety without a penalty. So you tell the team if they do not want a safety then accept the penalty. And based on the overall situation in the game that might not be something we should automatically assume.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by phansen

Team A is on their own 2 yard line. QB A1 scrambles in the end zone and is tackled by horse collar in the end zone by B1. How is the penalty enforced?

CANADIAN RULING:

UR before YG is PLS or PBD. The bullets are A's choice first.

• PLS: Team A 1D/10 @ A-17.
• PBD: Score the Safety Touch, then Team B's option:
  1. Team B 1D/10 @ B-20.
  2. Team A KO @ A-50.
  3. Team B KO @ B-20.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The result of the play is a safety without a penalty. So you tell the team if they do not want a safety then accept the penalty. And based on the overall situation in the game that might not be something we should automatically assume.

Peace

exactly.

[Just Me]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The result of the play is a safety without a penalty. So you tell the team if they do not want a safety then accept the penalty. And based on the overall situation in the game that might not be something we should automatically assume.

Peace

Yeah, because a team would rather give the other guys 2 pts and the ball rather than replaying the down from the 15 (a 13yd gain with no down counted). Do you even think before you answer? Come up with some reasonable situation where any team would not take the penalty.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Just Me

Yeah, because a team would rather give the other guys 2 pts and the ball rather than replaying the down from the 15 (a 13yd gain with no down counted). Do you even think before you answer? Come up with some reasonable situation where any team would not take the penalty.

How many posts do you have?

Yes, game situation they might want to take the field position with the two points instead of taking the ball at the 15. Not likely, but very possible which is why you give them the option. I do recall a pro coach took the wind in OT instead of getting the ball. And they lost but the coach wanted the wind so bad and ended up losing. Not our job to think for coaches.

I think officials often assume teams want something only to find out the team wanted the not so obvious option. But hey, forgive me for having dealt with that personally as an official then talking about it only on a forum like some will do.

Peace

[BroKen62]

I've never had to deal with it personally, but I've seen many a college team take a safety with the lead so they could kick the ball to the other end of the field and play field position. I don't see the difference here. It seems reasonable to me that in some cases taking the safety may be the best alternative. But that's just me

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How many posts do you have?

Yes, game situation they might want to take the field position with the two points instead of taking the ball at the 15. Not likely, but very possible which is why you give them the option. I do recall a pro coach took the wind in OT instead of getting the ball. And they lost but the coach wanted the wind so bad and ended up losing. Not our job to think for coaches.

I think officials often assume teams want something only to find out the team wanted the not so obvious option. But hey, forgive me for having dealt with that personally as an official then talking about it only on a forum like some will do.

Peace

Good point JRut...his number of posts stands at 5!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Of course not... another example of the classic FED and NCAA run-on sentence. Throw in a comma - they really mean that if the play WOULD HAVE resulted in a safety (sans the penalty), the enforcement spot is the goal line.

Actually, the grammar is correct here, though elliptical. Let me fill it in:

The enforcement spot is the goal line when (two conditions are both met, namely: )
(a) the run ends in the end zone, and
(b) (the play) would result in a safety (if A declines the penalty).

Yeah, that's better.