Need help answering a scenario

[movingthechains]

A17 drops back to pass from the A 42, while scrambling to avoid a sack, he grabs the facemask of B57 and pulls him down out of the way. He throws the ball beyond the LOS where B32 intercepts the pass. During the run following change of possession, B77 holds A61. The ball is blown dead at the A35.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by movingthechains

A17 drops back to pass from the A 42, while scrambling to avoid a sack, he grabs the facemask of B57 and pulls him down out of the way. He throws the ball beyond the LOS where B32 intercepts the pass. During the run following change of possession, B77 holds A61. The ball is blown dead at the A35.

CANADIAN RULING:

B will accept the A facemask and choose to apply it after the COP. Therefore, A will accept the B hold to lessen the yardage effect of the facemask.

Result: Team B 1D/10 @ 5 yards ahead of the spot of where the ball was when then B hold occurred.

[MRH]

NFHS - If B accepts the facemask penalty then we have a double foul and the down is replayed. B can keep the ball by declining A's foul. A will probably accept B's holding foul which will be enforced under the all-but-one.

[parepat]

B would also need to decline A's illegal forward pass foul in order to retain possession.

[bkdow]

If I read this correctly, the forward pass was executed behind the LOS but was thrown past the LOS. In that case, there would be no illegal forward pass. Agree with MRH.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by parepat

B would also need to decline A's illegal forward pass foul in order to retain possession.

What was illegal about the forward pass?

[HLin NC]

Objection, facts not in evidence.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by parepat

B would also need to decline A's illegal forward pass foul in order to retain possession.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What was illegal about the forward pass?

I'm not sure what the OP meant, but if parepat is right, the OP should have been:

Originally Posted by movingthechains

A17 drops back to pass from the A 42, while scrambling to avoid a sack, he grabs the facemask of B57 and pulls him down out of the way. He throws the ball FROM beyond the LOS where B32 intercepts the pass. During the run following change of possession, B77 holds A61. The ball is blown dead at the A35.

[MRH]

Objection, facts not in evidence.

Objection sustained!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by parepat

B would also need to decline A's illegal forward pass foul in order to retain possession.

I think you misunderstood the expression "throws the ball beyond the LOS." The OP meant that the ball went beyond the LOS, not the passer.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think you misunderstood the expression "throws the ball beyond the LOS." The OP meant that the ball went beyond the LOS, not the passer.

That's how I read it too.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think you misunderstood the expression "throws the ball beyond the LOS." The OP meant that the ball went beyond the LOS, not the passer.

I should have said:
The OP meant that the ball, not the passer, went beyond the LOS.

Apologies all around.

[movingthechains]

thanks for the responses, the thing that got me got some of you. Once I clarified that the passer was not beyond the LOS but the ball was thrown beyond the LOS it was easier.

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by movingthechains

thanks for the responses, the thing that got me got some of you. Once I clarified that the passer was not beyond the LOS but the ball was thrown beyond the LOS it was easier.

It still would not change it even if it was an illegal forward pass. B still would have got the ball with clean hands. They just would have had to decline two penalties instead of one.