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Now that I'm working only under NCAA, I will flag it for illegal touching. If you have such a problem with the Federation "allowing another down" for IP, then you should petition them to change the rule so that it matches the NCAA. You really need to take this up with the rules committee.
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And that's about all I have to say about that. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get my equipment ready for a scrimmage tomorrow.
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The right call is frequently interesting and difficult. We still make them anyway. It's not our job to decide the rule should be something different and call that. It's our job to call the rules as they are written. If there's loopholes in them, it's the committee's issue to resolve not ours.
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I'll try and explain if for you Mike, in simple terms; there's really nothing wrong, or illegal, about going out of bounds. Anyone can do so whenever they choose without fear of penalty. The problem arises from the conditions under which they "return to the field during the down", the requirements for which are spelled out in NF: 9-6. My apologies for misunderstanding your previous comment, I assumed you understood how utterly wrong you were and wisely corrected yourself. Apparently my mistake, for giving you the benefit of the doubt. |
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"Prior to a change of possession, or when there is no change of possession, no player of A or K shall go out of bounds and return to the field during the down unless blocked out of bounds by an opponent. If a player is blocked out of bounds by an opponent and returns to the field during the down, he shall return at the first opportunity." The rule that is relevant here is instead 9-6-2 (as I've said at least three times) which says in full: "During the down, no player shall intentionally go out of bounds and return." Notice how it doesn't say return to the field. |
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It doesn't happen often that I conclude such a thing in any discussion forum about anything, but any of you who think about this and still say you'd administer such a play that way -- you're lying. |
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As I keep trying to tell you, and others who share your "opinion", do what you think is right. I have no problem dealing with this issue the way I see it. If you are comfortable dealing with it the way you see it, knock yourself out - Good Luck. |
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I will hang my hat on the rules every time. You keep adding words to the rules to make them mean what you want them to mean. |
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When what you say a rule means is the opposite of what it says, you're not being effective, you're not enforcing the rule. |
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Just a suggestion, but when your best possible explanation of something is more confusing and sounds sillier than your original observation, you might consider just not saying anything. I have never suggested, "When what you say a rule means is the opposite of what it says", I have simply opined that the interpretation that a player, who has absolutely satisfied the requirements of becoming OOB, somehow loses that designation by simply jumping up into the air, while remaining outside the playing field, is simply inaccurate and makes absolutely no common sense or serves any purpose related to the game of football, and therefore I conclude is incorrect. Forgive me for repeating myself, but if you can provide ANY rational explanation, or even suggestion, why such a contradictory concept should even be remotely considered, I'll be happy to reevaluate my position. |
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You are ignoring the rule because you don't like it, not because it isn't rational. Anyways, this will be my last post on the matter as it's clear your more interested in what you want the rules to be than what the rules actually are. |
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