illegal forward pass

[yankeesfan]

with about 10 seconds remaining in the half, quarterback takes snap from shotgun and spikes ball. we have illegal forward pass, 5 yard penalty and loss of down. when does the clock start? is there any case plays out there or rule #'s? thanks

[HLin NC]

Rule 3-4

ART. 6 . . . When a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the
referee shall order the clock started or stopped.

[whitehat]

Casebook page 24: 3.4.6 situation B (a) covers it.

Clock does stop on the incomplete illegal forward pass to enforce the penalty then wind it on RFP

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

with about 10 seconds remaining in the half, quarterback takes snap from shotgun and spikes ball. we have illegal forward pass, 5 yard penalty and loss of down. when does the clock start? is there any case plays out there or rule #'s? thanks

CANADIAN RULING:

On the snap. This is because spiking the ball is just an incomplete pass. I do not believe that it is Deliberate Grounding.

[CT1]

If the referee judges that time would have expired, he can wind the clock *without* marking the ball RFP. This prevents the offense from gaining an advantage by fouling.

[Ia-Ref]

In Fed, an illegal forward pass is a running play. Start the clock on the ready if in the R's judgment time was stopped illegally. If a snap does not take place before time runs out an untimed down would be in order because of the accepted penalty that occurred during a down.

[ump33]

Originally Posted by Ia-Ref

In Fed, an illegal forward pass is a running play. Start the clock on the ready if in the R's judgment time was stopped illegally. If a snap does not take place before time runs out an untimed down would be in order because of the accepted penalty that occurred during a down.

Agree with running play and clock starts on the ready.

But if time expires, no untimed down because of the loss of down provisions on an Illegal Forward Pass.

Case Book 3.3.4 SITUATION B: The clock is running with 10 seconds remaining in the fourth period as A1 drops back about 4 yards and intentionally grounds a forward pass to stop the clock. The penalty is accepted. The referee starts the clock on the ready following penalty enforcement and time expires before A can snap the ball.
RULING: If B accepted the penalty for A’s foul, the game is over and there is no untimed down as A had an accepted penalty on the last timed down that called for loss of down.

[APG]

You all are about two years and four months too late.

[HLin NC]

This got resurrected by a spammer. Their posts got deleted.

[Scooby]

Still an interesting thread.

[Ia-Ref]

Originally Posted by ump33

Agree with running play and clock starts on the ready.

But if time expires, no untimed down because of the loss of down provisions on an Illegal Forward Pass.

Case Book 3.3.4 SITUATION B: The clock is running with 10 seconds remaining in the fourth period as A1 drops back about 4 yards and intentionally grounds a forward pass to stop the clock. The penalty is accepted. The referee starts the clock on the ready following penalty enforcement and time expires before A can snap the ball.
RULING: If B accepted the penalty for A’s foul, the game is over and there is no untimed down as A had an accepted penalty on the last timed down that called for loss of down.

You are absolutely right.
I stand corrected.