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[HLin NC]

Rule 10-4
ART. 5 . . . The basic spot is the succeeding spot:
a. For an unsportsmanlike foul.
b. For a dead-ball foul.
c. For a nonplayer foul.
d. When the final result is a touchback

[ump33]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Rule 10-4
ART. 5 . . . The basic spot is the succeeding spot:
a. For an unsportsmanlike foul.
b. For a dead-ball foul.
c. For a nonplayer foul.
d. When the final result is a touchback

Would this not be trumped by 10-4-2?
10-4-2 ... The basic spot is the previous spot:
b. For a foul that occurs during a loose ball play as defined in 10-3-1.

10-3-1 ... A loose ball play is action during:
a. A free or scrimmage kick, other than those defined in 2-33-1a

[bossman72]

i would say loose ball, rekick at R45 if accepted.

[HLin NC]

ump 33-

So if this had been a dead ball personal foul instead of live ball BBW and the kick entered the EZ for a touchback, would you make K rekick since it was a loose ball play or would you enforce from the succeeding spot?

Originally Posted by HLin NC View Post
Rule 10-4
ART. 5 . . . The basic spot is the succeeding spot:
a. For an unsportsmanlike foul.
b. For a dead-ball foul.
c. For a nonplayer foul.
d. When the final result is a touchback

Would this not be trumped by 10-4-2?
10-4-2 ... The basic spot is the previous spot:
b. For a foul that occurs during a loose ball play as defined in 10-3-1.

10-3-1 ... A loose ball play is action during:
a. A free or scrimmage kick, other than those defined in 2-33-1a

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

So if this had been a dead ball personal foul instead of live ball BBW and the kick entered the EZ for a touchback, would you make K rekick since it was a loose ball play or would you enforce from the succeeding spot?

I don't know. Does a loose ball play include action which occurs after the ball becomes dead?

[ump33]

HLin NC -

2-41-1 ... The basic spot is a point of reference for penalty enforcement. It is the previous spot for a loose-ball play unless the only accepted penalities meet the requirements of a PSK foul and the end of the run for a running play.

If this was scrimage kick and R blocks K below the waist at the line of scrimmage after which the ball/kick enters the endzone (touchback), would you use 10-4-5b and enforce from the suceeding spot? How does this differ from the OP other than a Free Kick versus a Scrimmage Kick?

Originally Posted by HLin NC

ump 33-

So if this had been a dead ball personal foul instead of live ball BBW and the kick entered the EZ for a touchback, would you make K rekick since it was a loose ball play or would you enforce from the succeeding spot?

[kdf5]

Any foul occurring before the ball crosses the goal line is during a loose ball play and will be enforced from the previous spot, so you march off 15 yards against R and rekick from the R-45. If the foul happens after crossing the goal line then you march it off from the succeeding spot making it 1/10 from the R-10.

[yankeesfan]

ART. 7 . . . A free kick is not repeated unless:
a. A foul occurs prior to a change of possession and the penalty acceptance
requires a replay of the down.b. There is a double foul.
c. There is an inadvertent whistle during the kick.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by ump33

HLin NC -

2-41-1 ... The basic spot is a point of reference for penalty enforcement. It is the previous spot for a loose-ball play unless the only accepted penalities meet the requirements of a PSK foul and the end of the run for a running play.

If this was scrimage kick and R blocks K below the waist at the line of scrimmage after which the ball/kick enters the endzone (touchback), would you use 10-4-5b and enforce from the suceeding spot? How does this differ from the OP other than a Free Kick versus a Scrimmage Kick?

It doesn't, ALL fouls that occur during either a free, or scrimmage, kick are loose ball fouls, with the exception of PSK fouls (which only apply during scrimmage kicks).

In the original question, the offended teams choice would be to accept the penalty and replay the down after enforcing a 15 yard penalty from the previous spot, or accept the result of the play, which would be a touchback.

If the foul had been a dead ball foul enforcement would be from the succeeding spot, which would be the R 20 yard line, following the touchback. Rekick would not be an option.

[jemiller]

I agree with AJMC. Nuff said, Jim

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bossman72

i would say loose ball, rekick at R45 if accepted.

I agree. This is a loose ball play and all fouls during loose ball plays (except non-player and unsportsmanlike) are enforced from the previous spot.