DPI enforcement spot

[BoBo]

A88 is out for a pass
B25 interferes with A88
A88 catches the pass and carries the ball in for a TD

Enforced how??

Declined so the points stay on the board

or

Can they accept get the result of the play and have enforced on either the PAT of kickoff???

[whitehat]

Touchdown stands. A has choice of having 15 yard DPI penalty enforced on the try or successding kickoff. Obviously the automatic first down part does not apply here.

[svm1010]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Touchdown stands. A has choice of having 15 yard DPI penalty enforced on the try or successding kickoff. Obviously the automatic first down part does not apply here.

Short and sweet. god if only they were all that straight forward

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Touchdown stands. A has choice of having 15 yard DPI penalty enforced on the try or succeeding kickoff. Obviously the automatic first down part does not apply here.

Right. Ordinarily, DPI is previous spot enforcement, and A would have to decline the penalty in order to take the result of the play.

But during a scoring play, 8-2-2 applies:

Originally Posted by Rule 8-2-2

If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is no change of
possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul, the scoring team
may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding
spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.

[jTheUmp]

So, if A88 scores, the DPI yardage can be enforced on the try or on the kickoff... BUT, if A88 was tackled at the 5 yard line instead of scoring, A has to decline the penalty in order to have the play stand?

That feels rather inconsistent to me.

[umpirebob71]

If they want the yardage gained on the play, yes, they will have to decline the penalty.

[whitehat]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

So, if A88 scores, the DPI yardage can be enforced on the try or on the kickoff... BUT, if A88 was tackled at the 5 yard line instead of scoring, A has to decline the penalty in order to have the play stand?

That feels rather inconsistent to me.

JtheUmp, yea I know, and there are many things in the NF rule book that don't make a lot of sense to me. But, its either do our best to play by the rules or just make it up as we go...which may be what some officiails may too often do ;-)

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

So, if A88 scores, the DPI yardage can be enforced on the try or on the kickoff... BUT, if A88 was tackled at the 5 yard line instead of scoring, A has to decline the penalty in order to have the play stand?

That feels rather inconsistent to me.

The basic penalty principle the game is built on is simply a choice of accepting the results of a play or accepting a penalty, for whatever foul was committed, and replaying the down. Over time there have been exceptions to that basic principle for very specific situations, but they are based on specific circumstances.

Advancing the ball 99.5 yards, and scoring nothing because you ran out of downs, when going that extra 0.5 yards would provide all of 6 points might seem inconsistent - but that's the game.

When it, "ain't broke, it won't get fixed".

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by ajmc

The basic penalty principle the game is built on is simply a choice of accepting the results of a play or accepting a penalty, for whatever foul was committed, and replaying the down. Over time there have been exceptions to that basic principle for very specific situations, but they are based on specific circumstances.

So what specific circumstance would this rule be based upon? I can understand enforcing succeeding spot fouls and dead-ball fouls on the try and/or kickoff, but I can't wrap my head around the logic of enforcing previous-spot fouls this way.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

So, if A88 scores, the DPI yardage can be enforced on the try or on the kickoff... BUT, if A88 was tackled at the 5 yard line instead of scoring, A has to decline the penalty in order to have the play stand?

That feels rather inconsistent to me.

True, and that inconsistency or inequity was introduced recently. Before that, the penalty would've had to be declined for the TD to count too.

But that inequity would disappear in the other direction if they went to spot-of-foul enforcement for the DPI with no exception for fouls in the end zone. I'm trying to remember when NCAA first adopted previous spot enforcement for DPI; they re-adopted it in the 1980s following Fed's influence, but I think Fed inherited NCAA's previous previous spot enforcement rule, so I'm guessing it goes back to the 1930s. This is one of the rules (enforcement spot for DPI) that tends to go back & forth over generations in NCAA, but Fed has stuck with one. The NFL I believe inherited their DPI enforcement spot from NCAA just before NCAA made the change, and then they stuck with it too. The WFL had it as a previous spot enforcement unless it was ruled a deliberate foul.

However, NCAA's & NFL's exception to spot-of-foul for DPI in the end zone went back a long way too. When Fed first deliberated formulating their own rules, consideration was given to awarding a TD for DPI in the end zone, regardless of whether it was an intentional foul.

Robert

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BoBo

A88 is out for a pass
B25 interferes with A88
A88 catches the pass and carries the ball in for a TD

Enforced how??

Declined so the points stay on the board

or

Can they accept get the result of the play and have enforced on either the PAT of kickoff???

CANADIAN RULING:

DPI is not a major foul nor an additive foul. There is no option to keep the play as it stands and to enforce yardage on the convert or ensuing (or created) kick-off. Instead, the Referee will auto-decline the penalty to accept the score.