holding penalty

red · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 01, 2009, 11:59pm

Want to make sure I'm interpreting penalty enforcement correctly - NFHS

Is holding always a spot foul or does it follow the all but one principle?

LDUB · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 01:39am

All but one.

red · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 06:22am

thx - thought so, but for some reason I wa led to believe otherwise

Refsmitty · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 08:45am

Please direct me to the rule or principle

bigjohn · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 08:48am

Rule 10 SECTION 6

ENFORCEMENT SPOTS, ALL-BUT-ONE PRINCIPLE
Unless otherwise listed in Section 4 and 5, a penalty for a foul occurring during
a play is enforced from the basic spot with the exception of a foul by the offense
which occurs behind the basic spot during a loose ball play or running play. This
particular foul is enforced from the spot of the foul.

mbyron · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Please direct me to the rule or principle

The rules define the basic spot for every type of penalty.

Next consider who committed the foul: offense or defense = 2 possibilities.

Finally, consider where the foul occurred: beyond (downfield from) the basic spot or behind the basic spot = 2 possibilities.

That's a total of 4 combined possibilities for the foul: offense or defense, beyond or behind the basic spot.

All penalties are enforced from the basic spot but one: fouls committed by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul.

kdf5 · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 12:13pm

The all but one is occasionally referred to as the 3 and 1.

mbyron · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 01:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdf5

The all but one is occasionally referred to as the 3 and 1.

Never heard that. Doesn't seem illuminating to me. :shrug:

mikesears · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 01:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron

Never heard that. Doesn't seem illuminating to me. :shrug:

NCAA refers to it as 3 in 1. I know, not particularly illuminating either. Just know that they both refer to the same principle (except for where they are different).

NorCalRef12 · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 02, 2009, 03:47pm

Also, keep in mind that while team A and team B are the same throughout a down, Offense and Defense can change depending on who has the ball. Therefore, if B1 intercepts at the B30 and returns the ball to the B40 but B2 held A1 at the B35 the enforcement spot will be the B35.

As soon as B1 intercepted, team B became the offense.

jaybird · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 03, 2009, 01:59am

Quote:

..spot foul..

This is not NFHS terminology. There are no "spot fouls". There are however, penalties enforced from the spot of the foul.

jaybird · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 03, 2009, 02:03am

Quote:

holding penalty

Same thing here. It is a holding foul. A penalty is the punishment for the holding foul.

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