coaches box foul

[ChickenOfNC]

As an aside, here in NC we have been instructed to have coaches out of the restricted area after the RFP.

[HLin NC]

And also in NC we've been notified that if an official makes contact in the restricted area during a live ball with a coach, player, or other team personnel, we go to DEFCON 1, flag it, skip the SLW, and assess the USC to the head coach and then follow the normal progression for further sideline infractions.

[ChickenOfNC]

Yep. Hope tomorrow night goes smoothly in that regard. I have my doubts though

[Jim D.]

I like the approach we're taking in Missouri; I think we'll have few problems. Since the coach is legally allowed to be in the area up to the time the ball is snapped, we aren't going to worry about it at all during the dead ball period. There is really nothing to enforce (other than 3 coach maximum). Once the ball is snapped, our attention must be on the field. We'll catch this when the ball goes near or crosses the sideline. As we run down the sideline or if a player goes out of bounds, the BJ, wing and R will throw the flag if anyone is in the restricted zone.

We will go with the 3 phase approach, even if we run into a coach ( no automatic 15 yards)

[infj23]

Not sure how well it's going to work, but my crew is going to work it this way:

At the ready-for-play signal, the wings (who would be on/near the sideline anyway), will back up to the front line of the team box. A quick glance either way will let them know if anyone is in the restricted area. If necessary, a call of "back up so you are behind me" will be used once or twice. After that, the first flag comes out, and we start counting from there. Once the snap is immenent, the wings move back up to just inside the sideline.

We'll try it out tomorrow night! Any other thoughts on mechanics for this?

[Jim D.]

Originally Posted by infj23

Not sure how well it's going to work, but my crew is going to work it this way:

At the ready-for-play signal, the wings (who would be on/near the sideline anyway), will back up to the front line of the team box. A quick glance either way will let them know if anyone is in the restricted area. If necessary, a call of "back up so you are behind me" will be used once or twice. After that, the first flag comes out, and we start counting from there. Once the snap is immenent, the wings move back up to just inside the sideline.

We'll try it out tomorrow night! Any other thoughts on mechanics for this?

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

[HLin NC]

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

Our state supervisor solved that by setting the time for the coaches to "retreat" back from the restricted area at the RFP whistle. They were told at the state coaches clinic, told in the pre-scrimmage rules clinics, and will be told in the pre-game conference.

As for us, our playoff lives are at stake if he sees film of the rule not being enforced so I'm fairly confident the SLW's will come fast and furious for the next 2-3 weeks.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

That's fine, but if he's not behind the line at the moment the ball is snapped, he's getting flagged. He doesn't get to "go behind after the snap."

And we will be very aggressive on this during the season. Our playoffs were threatened, too.

[ChickenOfNC]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

Guess it depends on whether his state association will have his back. NC has mandated us to enforce it from the RFP.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

And also in NC we've been notified that if an official makes contact in the restricted area during a live ball with a coach, player, or other team personnel, we go to DEFCON 1, flag it, skip the SLW, and assess the USC to the head coach and then follow the normal progression for further sideline infractions.

That makes sense. Since it is a safety issue, the contact should be given the most severe penalty: REFCON 1

[parepat]

We have been advised in my state (OH) that the fouls will not accrue against the head coach such that if there are three fouls against three assistant coaches, the head coach would not be ejected. Is that the way the rest of you are working it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by parepat

We have been advised in my state (OH) that the fouls will not accrue against the head coach such that if there are three fouls against three assistant coaches, the head coach would not be ejected. Is that the way the rest of you are working it.

Nope and that is not what the rules say. Then again states have a right to make an interpretation of how they want things handled. And in an administrative situation they really have the right to tell their officials how to do things. But that is clearly not the way the rules are formed.

Peace

[Canned Heat]

A week ago in WI at our WIAA meeting, there was a transparency that showed examples of coaches, players, stat boys, and photographers listed as people that will not be allowed in the box. From that, and the discussion that followed, it was my understanding that the sideline team is responsible for their area.

Rich or anyone else from WI...is that what you were lead to believe..?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

A week ago in WI at our WIAA meeting, there was a transparency that showed examples of coaches, players, stat boys, and photographers listed as people that will not be allowed in the box. From that, and the discussion that followed, it was my understanding that the sideline team is responsible for their area.

Rich or anyone else from WI...is that what you were lead to believe..?

Yes, but it's pretty unenforceable if the people aren't affiliated with the team.

This is one situation where I'll simply stop and have them get back OR get removed.

[GBFBUmp]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

A week ago in WI at our WIAA meeting, there was a transparency that showed examples of coaches, players, stat boys, and photographers listed as people that will not be allowed in the box. From that, and the discussion that followed, it was my understanding that the sideline team is responsible for their area.

Rich or anyone else from WI...is that what you were lead to believe..?

The WIAA meeting I was at ended up with this as the process:
1) 1st infraction = flag and SLW
2) 2nd infraction - flag - 5 yd penalty
3) 3rd infraction = flag 15 yd USC1,
4) 4th infraction = flag, 15yd and USC2 w/ejection of HC....
5) if at any point prior to 3rd infraction, there is actual interference (either contact or requiring LJ or L to sidestep ) then go right to 15 yd USC1 .

Lots of guff from coaches at the meeting, but only 1 that was frothing at the mouth.