How do you identify eligible/ineligible recievers?

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by mikesears

Hopefully you will quickly learn who you can learn from and who you should ignore.

Now onto your questions.

Illegal touching is handled under all but one principle. Illegal touching by an ineligible will always be a loose ball play. If an ineligible illegally touches a pass behind the line of scrimmage, it is enforced from the spot of the foul. If ahead of the line, it is enforced from the previous spot.

Illegal touching does not cause the ball to become dead. NO live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

And may I offer a suggestion? If you have other questions other than what the original post was about, you will likely get more responses by starting a new thread.

Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in mind when asking questions. I was pretty sure it WASN'T blown dead but just wanted to make sure. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by kdf5

You guys are right, my apologies.

Apology accepted No harm, No foul

[KWH]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in mind when asking questions. I was pretty sure it WASN'T blown dead but just wanted to make sure. Thanks again.

Brandon,
Let me jump right in! So you don't get off on the wrong foot, there is no situation in NFHS football where a penalty causes the ball to become dead or "blown dead" as you stated.

Source: Football Fundamental IX. 1) No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

While this is not the case in other codes of football, it is most certainly the case in NFHS.

[trocared]

becuase of the previous pissing match, I glazed over many of the posts...As a wing, if a player is covered up, I say the number of the covered up player, aloud to myself, to remind me to be aware of: 1. If the play begins as a pass, I locate that covered up player, and 2: when ball is passed over the neutral zone, will throw the flag if he is downfield.
While this forum is of great value to all officials, finding a mentor, talking his ear off while treating him to a meal, is of greater value still. Most experienced officials would love to take an eager, open official under their wing.
Good luck,
tro

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by trocared

becuase of the previous pissing match, I glazed over many of the posts...As a wing, if a player is covered up, I say the number of the covered up player, aloud to myself, to remind me to be aware of: 1. If the play begins as a pass, I locate that covered up player, and 2: when ball is passed over the neutral zone, will throw the flag if he is downfield.
While this forum is of great value to all officials, finding a mentor, talking his ear off while treating him to a meal, is of greater value still. Most experienced officials would love to take an eager, open official under their wing.
Good luck,
tro

Thanks for the encouragement, What exactly is a covered up player?

[With_Two_Flakes]

By "covered up", he means someone on the line with an eligible number who is supposed to be on the end of the line. But they are not on the end of the line because someone out wide, who should be off the line has messed up and is on the line and therefore "covering him up".

Example:- Formation should be,

..................82..71..68..55..62..77........89
..84

but #84 messes up and it actually is

..84.............82..71..68..55..62..77........89

so #82 is "covered up" because of #84's mistake.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes

By "covered up", he means someone on the line with an eligible number who is supposed to be on the end of the line. But they are not on the end of the line because someone out wide, who should be off the line has messed up and is on the line and therefore "covering him up".

Example:- Formation should be,

..................82..71..68..55..62..77........89
..84

but #84 messes up and it actually is

..84.............82..71..68..55..62..77........89

so #82 is "covered up" because of #84's mistake.

I understand what you are saying but some of it could be a little misleading. The person being covered may not be there in error. As someone else noted, some teams line up this way intentionally for running plays. There is nothing wrong with that. Also, he may be covered up because he's supposed to be in the back field but lined up wrong (rather than the wide-out).

I would simplify the explanation as a player with an eligible number on the line of scrimmage who is not on the end.

[HLin NC]

What exactly is a covered up player?

Most commonly applied to the normally eligible TE where the SE or Flanker is on the line of scrimmage along side him

i.e. SE TGCGT TE FL


the flanker has "covered up" the TE in this formation, thus making him a lineman.
As long as he doesn't go downfield (expanded neutral zone) on a pass beyond the NZ or its a running play, he's legal. A power running team will line up like this all night with no problem.

To be legally downfield, the formation would need to be thus-

SE TGCGT TE
FL



now the TE is on the end of the line and eligible.

Covered up can also happen when a slot receiver lines up incorrectly on the LOS with the end.

SE FL TGCGT TE

[Brandon Kincer]

ah ok that makes sense.

[kdf5]

ART. 6 . . . Pass eligibility rules apply only to a legal forward pass. The
following players are eligible pass receivers:
a. All A players eligible by position and number include those who, at the time
of the snap, are on the ends of their scrimmage line or legally behind the
line (possible total of six) and are numbered 1-49 or 80-99. (See 7-2-5a
EXCEPTION)
b. All A players become eligible when B touches a legal forward pass.
c. All B players are eligible.
d. A player who is eligible at the start of the down remains eligible throughout
the down.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

Thanks for the encouragement, What exactly is a covered up player?

A "covered up" player is one who begins a play as an eligible receiver (both by position and number) on the end of the line who is rendered ineligible, either deliberately or unintentionally, by the actions of another player, who takes a wider position on the same side of the line.

The "covered" player, although still eligible by number, would no longer be eligible by position as he is no longer on the end of the line.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by ajmc

A "covered up" player is one who begins a play as an eligible receiver (both by position and number) on the end of the line who is rendered ineligible, either deliberately or unintentionally, by the actions of another player, who takes a wider position on the same side of the line.

The "covered" player, although still eligible by number, would no longer be eligible by position as he is no longer on the end of the line.

AJMC- (aka AlinupstateNY)
You'll excuse me if I take the opportunity to point out WHAT YOU WROTE is poorly worded and misleading, and therefore, by NFHS definition, renders itself to be false and incorrect!

Source 2008 NFHS Rule Book Page 82 Football Fundamentals VII. Passes
1.A player who is eligible at the start of a down remains eligible throughout the down.

It is just not possible for a player who "...begins a play as an eligible reciever..." to then become "...rendered ineligible..."

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by KWH

AJMC- (aka AlinupstateNY)
You'll excuse me if I take the opportunity to point out WHAT YOU WROTE is poorly worded and misleading, and therefore, by NFHS definition, renders itself to be false and incorrect!

Source 2008 NFHS Rule Book Page 82 Football Fundamentals VII. Passes
1.A player who is eligible at the start of a down remains eligible throughout the down.

It is just not possible for a player who "...begins a play as an eligible reciever..." to then become "...rendered ineligible..."

Congratulations, you are absolutely correct, I blew right by Football Fundamental VII and used a poorly worded, and possibly misleading phrase, to try and explain a basic concept. Good thing you were there to avoid a calamity.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by KWH

Brandon,
Let me jump right in! So you don't get off on the wrong foot, there is no situation in NFHS football where a penalty causes the ball to become dead or "blown dead" as you stated.

Source: Football Fundamental IX. 1) No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

While this is not the case in other codes of football, it is most certainly the case in NFHS.

But according to discussions here, play is to be whistled dead when it becomes clear a hideout play is in progress, although it's treated otherwise as if it were a dead ball foul.

Robert in the Bronx

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by KWH

Brandon,
Let me jump right in! So you don't get off on the wrong foot, there is no situation in NFHS football where a penalty causes the ball to become dead or "blown dead" as you stated.

Source: Football Fundamental IX. 1) No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

While this is not the case in other codes of football, it is most certainly the case in NFHS.

From this year's Points of Emphasis -

The old idea of "hitting until the whistle" is passé. It must be remembered by coaches and officials that the whistle is only confirmation that a play is over. The play kills itself.

[KWH]

Waltjp:
I am not sure I understand what you are attempting to say?
While I agree with this years point of emphasis, it has nothing to do with "No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead"