Illegal Snap, Motion?

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by ajmc

How this learning/teaching thing seems to works best is when someone realizes they don't know enough about something, the smart ones seek advice from someone they believe is smarter. That person can then share their knowledge, if they're sure what they know is correct.

If they're not sure, they can either fake an answer, or seek advise from someone they think may have more knowledge and then share what they learn with the original questioner. This way at least two people have increased their knowledge, and everybody is better off.

People who are ignorant, simply don't know something, and there are things everyone is ignorant about. When someone asks you for information, they're acknowledging they think you are smarter than them about the subject. If you know the answer you can demonstrate how smart you are, and if you aren't sure you can demonstrate your wisdom in choosing to find out before you provide an answer. Either way you look good and raise the general knowledge level.

Stupid people, on the other hand, discount their ignorance and blast ahead without seeking advice. The choice we have is often between helping someone become more knowledgable, or ignoring them and watching them stay stupid, understanding you may have to deal with their stupidity again.

Huh!

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

Huh!

I'll type slower Ed. When someone asks a question, because they think you may be more knowledgable about a subject than they may be, it seems like Simbio took the right approach.

Rather than belittle and mock the intelligence of the questioner, he saw an opportunity to help someone learn and understand some of the finer points of the game and he chose to ask for advice from others he thought might be more knowledgable, to beable to provide the best answer. Several people were quick to respond and provide additional detail that I'm sure he'll share with the coach and both he and the coach will understand one more thing a little better. I guess he could have pointed out how ignorant the coach was to ask such a question, but neither he nor the coach would have gained anything by that approach.

Perhaps if you took a little time to help "little league coaches" to understand more, they'd show you a little "love" in return and wouldn't need to seek assistance from a copy of Football Coaching for Dummies.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Rather than belittle and mock the intelligence of the questioner

He wasn't belittling the questioner. The questioner and the coach are not the same person. It's the coach who devised this stupid play.

Verrrry slowly read the original post.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Forksref

He wasn't belittling the questioner. The questioner and the coach are not the same person. It's the coach who devised this stupid play.

Verrrry slowly read the original post.

Thank's for your advise, I did as you suggested and Verrrry slowly read the original post, especially the part that says, "A friend who coaches little league asked me this scenario".

I understand that often little league coaches can be an enormous PIA (pain in the ...) but in reality many of them are learning too and we have an opportunity to steer them in the right direction with the answers we give to sincere and serious questions.

If you think the question is neither sincere or serious, you can always deal with that differently. We are all borne with the inherent talent to be a smart a.., the skill some learn better than others, is how and when to apply that talent to be effective.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I understand that often little league coaches can be an enormous PIA (pain in the ...) but in reality many of them are learning too and we have an opportunity to steer them in the right direction with the answers we give to sincere and serious questions.

Not only that, but with fewer institutional constraints and large numbers, they can explore facets of the game that challenge its administration in ways that coaches at higher levels rarely do.

Robert in the Bronx

[Simbio]

First, thank you to all who replied to my original question. I thought the snapper had to be set prior to snapping as well, I just wanted to be sure.

Second, my mind must really be rusty on the rules. Isn't the restriction on the motion man only requires him to be 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage at the snap if he is to receive a handoff? Isn't he allowed to go in motion on the line of scrimmage or does he clearly have to position himself as a back prior to going in motion?

I know this is something I should know but for whatever reason it escapes me at the moment.

[ajmc]

NF: 7.3.6 & 7 covers this. "Only one player may be in motion at the snap and then only if such motion is not towards the opponent's goal line. Except for the player"under the snapper",....the player in motion shall be at least 5 yards behind the LOS at the snap if he started from any position not clearly behind the line and did not establish himself as a back by stopping for at least one full second....."

So, if a player on the line simply takes a step backwards, so he's clearly off the line, pauses at that position for a full second, (a separate shift by which he establishes himself as a back) he can then go in motion without being restricted to the 5 yards behind the LOS requirement.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by Simbio

First, thank you to all who replied to my original question. I thought the snapper had to be set prior to snapping as well, I just wanted to be sure.

Second, my mind must really be rusty on the rules. Isn't the restriction on the motion man only requires him to be 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage at the snap if he is to receive a handoff? Isn't he allowed to go in motion on the line of scrimmage or does he clearly have to position himself as a back prior to going in motion?

I know this is something I should know but for whatever reason it escapes me at the moment.

If an end goes in motion by rule he must be five yards behind the line of scrimmage irrepsective of whether he will receive a handoff. Unlike the NFL an end cannot go in motion on the line.

The current rule allows blocks below the waist and clips on the initial charge by offensive players stationary on the line of scrimmage and stationary at the snap and defensive players. At one point players who were in the 6 x 8 zone were allowed to BIBs and clips.

The restriction on the end was to make sure if the end went in motion he would be outside the free blocking zone at the snap.

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

Huh!

Ed,
Let me interpret. Al didn't have any answers or suggestions to the original post so he used a whole bunch of words to be sarcastic and to say nothing relevant.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by jaybird

Ed,
Let me interpret. Al didn't have any answers or suggestions to the original post so he used a whole bunch of words to be sarcastic and to say nothing relevant.

Thanks Jaybird,

Now I understand, it's the usual saracastic diatribe with a plethora of words and phrases devoid of any true meaning.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by jaybird

Ed,
Let me interpret. Al didn't have any answers or suggestions to the original post so he used a whole bunch of words to be sarcastic and to say nothing relevant.

[mikesears]

I think Al is saying that he is happy the guy asked. Ignorant people are teachable. Stupid people aren't.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by jaybird

Ed,
Let me interpret. Al didn't have any answers or suggestions to the original post so he used a whole bunch of words to be sarcastic and to say nothing relevant.

I want to be sure I didn't mislead you, Jaybird, it's entirely possible to be both ignorant and stupid at the same time. The fact that you can't find relevance in civility doesn't mean it's not there.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I want to be sure I didn't mislead you, Jaybird, it's entirely possible to be both ignorant and stupid at the same time. The fact that you can't find relevance in civility doesn't mean it's not there.

Al, you never have anything good to say about anything. If someone said at noon the sun was shining you would disagree and saracastically use words to make them feel less than. It must be your sick way for getting attention.

I am no longer going to participate in any thread where you participate and I would highly suggest anyone else on this forum adopt the same.

Have a good life.

[KWH]

I wholeheartedly agree with Ed!

Out of curiosity is it possible to disable this clowns posts so I don't ever have to view them again?

AJMC = Another Jackass Making Comments