Just a couple of questions

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

Ok thanks Rich, I just had never seen it called. I truly never thought about this. Now, how long does the cb have to block the gunner. 5yds, until the pass is released? It didnt help us that no one was yelling fake.

He can't contact him after the receiver has moved past him and is no longer a potential blocker.

As others have said, there's no rule prohibiting removing the helmet under NFHS rules.

[TrojanHorse]

In our play, it was down the sideline. Our cb had no idea there was a pass. The gunner ran down the field and turned to look for the ball and was basically tackled. It really made it difficult not to see a flag. I just didnt know if it basically being a punt if that made a difference. I just might have to add this to our playbook

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by trojanhorse

in our play, it was down the sideline. Our cb had no idea there was a pass. The gunner ran down the field and turned to look for the ball and was basically tackled. It really made it difficult not to see a flag. I just didnt know if it basically being a punt if that made a difference. I just might have to add this to our playbook

dpi

[chymechowder]

NCAA has a rule--I think it was added a year or two ago--that speaks directly to your first case. If the punter throws a high pass that simulates a punt, there's no DPI.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

NCAA has a rule--I think it was added a year or two ago--that speaks directly to your first case. If the punter throws a high pass that simulates a punt, there's no DPI.

REPLY: A little older. It was added in 2004.

[ajmc]

There are different rules that apply to scrimmage kicks, than forward passes and it is simply the job, and responsibility, of the defensive team to recognize what type play they are defending against. By definition, a kick (NF:2.24.1) begins with the, "intentional striking of the ball with the knee, lower leg or foot".

Unless, and until, the ball is actually kicked, kicking rules don't apply. NF: 2.31.1 defines passing as, "Passing is throwing a ball that is in player possession. In a pass, the ball travels in flight." Whether a pass was thrown, intended to look like a kick, doesn't matter, if "thrown" it's a pass and pass eligibility rules, including interference, holding apply as they would for any other legal forward pass.

It is what it is, and the defense has to recognize what it is and act accordingly.

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

In our play, it was down the sideline. Our cb had no idea there was a pass. The gunner ran down the field and turned to look for the ball and was basically tackled. It really made it difficult not to see a flag. I just didnt know if it basically being a punt if that made a difference. I just might have to add this to our playbook

It's a dangerous play if you are strictly relying on getting a DPI call as opposed to trying to complete a pass.

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He can't contact him after the receiver has moved past him and is no longer a potential blocker.

As others have said, there's no rule prohibiting removing the helmet under NFHS rules.

...or the legal forward pass has crossed the LOS.