Illegal Forward Pass Ruling in SD-PIT Game

[SportsFan]

Here's what the NFL.com play-by-play says:

1-10-SD 21 (:05) (Shotgun) 17-P.Rivers pass short middle to 21-L.Tomlinson to SD 24 for 3 yards. Lateral to 89-C.Chambers to SD 26 for 2 yards (43-T.Polamalu). FUMBLES (43-T.Polamalu), RECOVERED by PIT-43-T.Polamalu at SD 12. 43-T.Polamalu for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Assistant challenged the backward pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 17-P.Rivers pass short middle to 21-L.Tomlinson, dead ball declared at SD 26 for 5 yards. PENALTY on SD-21-L.Tomlinson, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at SD 5.

After the review, the referee (Scott Green) seemed confused as to the ruling, initially stating that the touchdown stood. Right before the extra point attempt, all the officials got together. Then, Green ruled that there was no touchdown and the game was over.

The pass in question was attempted by Tomlinson and caught by Chris Chambers. Is it correct for the play to end there?

[TussAgee11]

I believe the penalty ended up being accepted by PIT so they would not have to run a PAT. That takes the TD off the board.

I believe.

But the ball also may be dead in the last two minutes if its illegally forwarded.

I'll leave it to the football guys

[SportsFan]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I believe the penalty ended up being accepted by PIT so they would not have to run a PAT. That takes the TD off the board.

I believe.

But the ball also may be dead in the last two minutes if its illegally forwarded.

I'll leave it to the football guys

Oh, wow. That is a very good point. I didn't notice that the play-by-play says the penalty was accepted. However, I don't think that's what the referee said on the field. (It was hard to hear.)

I don't know what the rules are in the final two minutes for an illegal forward pass. For a fumble in the last two minutes, if the defense recovers, they can advance it.

[SportsFan]

Also, it says "dead ball declared at SD 26 for 5 yards," which seems to indicate that the ball would be dead even if the penalty was declined.

[markmanxp]

According to our friends at profootball.com the ref made a mistake.

ProFootballTalk.com - REFEREE ADMITS ERROR AT END OF CHARGERS-STEELERS GAME

“The rule was misinterpreted,” Green said. “We should have let the play go through in the end, yes. It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play we should have let the play go through.”

[SportsFan]

Originally Posted by markmanxp

According to our friends at profootball.com the ref made a mistake.

ProFootballTalk.com - REFEREE ADMITS ERROR AT END OF CHARGERS-STEELERS GAME

“The rule was misinterpreted,” Green said. “We should have let the play go through in the end, yes. It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play we should have let the play go through.”

I don't see how he can claim the rule was misinterpreted. His crew simply remembered the play incorrectly. The illegal forward pass was caught, and they thought it wasn't. But it's good to see him take responsibility, even though it appeared to be his crew who talked him into making the wrong ruling. He had it right at first.

[b10mtrk]

Disclaimer: Football official with no NFL rules experience - discussion is based on football fundamentals

1) Play continues on a completed illegal forward pass
2) While a backward pass appears to be treated as a fumble there is a distinct difference; a fumble is an involuntary loss of player possession while a backward pass is a voluntary loss of player possession - two distinct occurrences and treated differently
3) The result of the play was a TD for Pittsburgh
4) Acceptance of the penalty requires an untimed down for SD (Quarter/Half may not end with an accepted penalty)
5) Declining the penalty forces the result of the play to stand (Pgh would surely decline the IFP penalty for the TD)
6) The Point After Touhdown (PAT) is an untimed down that must be completed
7) Replay Official/Referee/Crew choked
8) Score 17/18 Pittsburgh - 10 SD
9) None of these seven officials will work play-off or super bowl games this season
10) Reliance on the rules knowledge of announcers is - at best - foolhardy Example: lateral - no such definition in any football rules manual

[SportsFan]

Originally Posted by b10mtrk

Disclaimer: Football official with no NFL rules experience - discussion is based on football fundamentals

1) Play continues on a completed illegal forward pass
2) The result of the play was a TD for Pittsburgh
3) Acceptance of the penalty requires an untimed down for SD (Quarter/Half may not end with an accepted penalty)
4) Declining the penalty forces the result of the play to stand (Pgh would surely decline the IFP penalty for the TD)
5) The Point After Touhdown (PAT) is an untimed down that must be completed
6) Replay Official/Referee/Crew choked
7) Score 17/18 Pittsburgh - 10 SD
8) None of these seven officials will work play-off or super bowl games this season

I believe everything you said is correct.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by b10mtrk

Disclaimer: Football official with no NFL rules experience - discussion is based on football fundamentals

2) While a backward pass appears to be treated as a fumble there is a distinct difference; a fumble is an involuntary loss of player possession while a backward pass is a voluntary loss of player possession - two distinct occurrences and treated differently

How are they treated differently?

4) Acceptance of the penalty requires an untimed down for SD (Quarter/Half may not end with an accepted penalty)

Not true, at least not under FED rules. There will be no untimed down if the penalty includes a loss of down provision.

6) The Point After Touhdown (PAT) is an untimed down that must be completed

Again, not true under FED.

10) Reliance on the rules knowledge of announcers is - at best - foolhardy Example: lateral - no such definition in any football rules manual

Because, as a wise man once said, "Announcers are idiots."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by b10mtrk

4) Acceptance of the penalty requires an untimed down for SD (Quarter/Half may not end with an accepted penalty)

So, if SD had scored a TD on the last play but was flagged for holding and Pittsburgh accepted then SD would have gotten an untimed down?

I thought that rule (at least in the NFL) only applied to defensive penalties.

[bmf1314]

Questions on this topic:

1) Lets say LT threw an IFP and it was caught. And the play goes on. Since it was an IFP and the ball was caught the defense can either accept or decline the penalty? Correct?

2) If the IFP was dropped then you cannot accept or decline the penalty. The ball is dead. Correct?

3) How does an NFL official getting paid six figures for a half year of work not know the rules? Plus he has like 5 other helpers and a replay official. Pretty bad. Correct?

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by bmf1314

Questions on this topic:



3) How does an NFL official getting paid six figures for a half year of work not know the rules? Plus he has like 5 other helpers and a replay official. Pretty bad. Correct?

Why do people feel like coming to officiating message boards to bash officials? Correct?

[Warrenkicker]

The issue on the play was that there were two attempted backward passes on the last play. The first was an illegal pass as it went forward. The second was a backward pass that also hit the ground. The officials were confused as to which pass was illegal (forward). They incorrectly determined that the illegal pass hit the ground and thus was incomplete. Within minutes they determined that they got the two passes confused and Pittsburgh should have been awarded the TD.

Green takes the hit for not remembering what all happened during the replay. He saw over and over again what happened on the play but was then talked into changing his mind. He would have saved himself just by going over and taking another look.

[shave-tail]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

He would have saved himself just by going over and taking another look.

By rule, after the official leaves the review booth he can't return to review the same play. This was discribed by head of officials on ESPN.

[Warrenkicker]

Originally Posted by shave-tail

By rule, after the official leaves the review booth he can't return to review the same play. This was discribed by head of officials on ESPN.

I don't doubt that you are correct. However the review official could have buzzed down to recheck the facts as I would assume it is their first responsibility to get the ruling right. R wouldn't have to have gone in the booth to confirm which pass was which. I do see now that they are looking at changing some things to try to avoid this problem again.

I find it funny how often rules are changed to try to avoid repeating special situations that could have been covered earlier if odd situations had been thought about earlier.