Hasn't happened yet, but.......

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Agree. That clock would never start on the ready if I was wearing white. Mike L. said it best: "Get out the punt team, coach."

[bossman72]

My HS coach did (and still does) uses this tactic on naive officials. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Additionally, (non-official's opinion) you should read what "mode" the offense is in (say, inside 4 minutes or so left in the game). If the offense is in "hurry up and score" mode, start the clock according to the rules. If the offense is in "eat up clock" mode, start it on the snap.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by bossman72

My HS coach did (and still does) uses this tactic on naive officials. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

In my opinion, this is a coach with poor morals. He will do it if he can get away with it. Great lesson to teach his players, who unfortunately may feel they should "do whatever they can get away with" in other area of life as they get older.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by MJT

In my opinion, this is a coach with poor morals.

In other words, "a coach?"

I keed, I keed.

[Theisey]

Team-A's delay foul... I'm not winding the clock at all.
Let'm false start all they want after that.. The clock is not going to be run until they snap it.
The Referee and "crew" have to recognize this delay was for one purpose and to invoke the clock rule exception as I call it right then and there.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by MJT

In my opinion, this is a coach with poor morals. He will do it if he can get away with it. Great lesson to teach his players, who unfortunately may feel they should "do whatever they can get away with" in other area of life as they get older.

Would you say the same thing about a coach who teaches his kids to hold until the officials call it? I actually think that is a decent technique for coaches to see how technical the crew will be. Push the envelope and find out what you can get away with.

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

Would you say the same thing about a coach who teaches his kids to hold until the officials call it? I actually think that is a decent technique for coaches to see how technical the crew will be. Push the envelope and find out what you can get away with.

I'd have to agree with this one. Even though I'm an official and not a coach, had I been a coach I'd probably push the envelope and see what I get away with. It all comes down to what a crew calls week by week and if you have crews in your area who are not consistent with others, the coach will try and take advantages of differences, whether it be this or if a player doesn't have correct padding around a cast, doctors note, etc.

[ajmc]

Sorry guys, but teaching student athletes to "do whatever they can get away with" is what someone who is either lazy or just not good enough to teach correctly resorts to.

Teach a kid to block, and eventually he'll learn how to hold, teach a kid to hold and he'll NEVER learn how to block. Teams make mistakes, every game, that might give them a temporary unfair or unearned advantage, that's part of the game.

There's a word for deliberately looking for unfair, unearned advantages by teaching, "Push the envelope and find out what you can get away with. ", it's called "cheating", and whether you're caught or not doesn't lessen the disrespect you show to your players, your school and the game.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

Would you say the same thing about a coach who teaches his kids to hold until the officials call it? I actually think that is a decent technique for coaches to see how technical the crew will be. Push the envelope and find out what you can get away with.

Have to strongly disagree. As a former coach and currently an official, I believe that I am here to teach more than X's and O's but how to handle life. Those crooks on Wall Street must have had the above-mentioned type of coach as a role model when they were young.

As for the original post, after the first play, the clock won't ever start until there is a live snap. False starts are dead ball fouls and there won't even be 1 second allowed to tick.

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Have to strongly disagree. As a former coach and currently an official, I believe that I am here to teach more than X's and O's but how to handle life. Those crooks on Wall Street must have had the above-mentioned type of coach as a role model when they were young.

As for the original post, after the first play, the clock won't ever start until there is a live snap. False starts are dead ball fouls and there won't even be 1 second allowed to tick.

Nice to see everyone's input. I don't want to come on here and look unethical (the baseball board already tried to pin that on me), but I am saying that I could definitely see coaches pushing the envelope, especially in places where there is alot of pressure to win. I personally don't condone it, but I'm sure it's done in many places.

[ajmc]

'm pleased to see that you consider teaching student athletes to deliberately circumvent the rules of the game something you don't condone, but why are you so "sure it's done in many places"?

Sadly, I've seen what I might think are sporadic examples of it being done, but I've never been convinced that it's "condoned" rather than something caused by ignorance, frustration, desperation or a temporary loss of logic.

If you see it, you need to address it immediately right there on the spot, as inconspicuously as possible, but the person suggesting such tactics needs to be instructed that what he is teaching is wrong, will absolutely not be tolerated and if repeated, or carried out, will be dealt with harshly and reported.