The worst a coach said to me this year

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I didn't warn him, they got a 5 yarder for their 2nd sideline violation. I thought it was the right thing to do as he got the point.

The sideline warning has to do with where people who are off the field are standing. Anything someone says is a USC foul not a sideline warning.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The sideline warning has to do with where people who are off the field are standing. Anything someone says is a USC foul not a sideline warning.

However, I felt that the way I handled it was more appropriate. It was a tight ball game and the kids were playing hard without incident. I wasn't going to let the actions of one adult cause me to what I felt would have penalized the kids more than him.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

However, I felt that the way I handled it was more appropriate. It was a tight ball game and the kids were playing hard without incident. I wasn't going to let the actions of one adult cause me to what I felt would have penalized the kids more than him.

That adult is a member of the team just as a player on the field is. The coach gets the glory when the team wins just like the players does. All members of the team do things during the game which increase and/or decrease their chances of winning. The team wins and loses together. You're not taking anything away from the players by calling a foul, the coach who acted badly took it away from the players.

Also you do not get to decide which way to handle it is more appropriate, it is already decided for you in the rules.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by LDUB

That adult is a member of the team just as a player on the field is. The coach gets the glory when the team wins just like the players does. All members of the team do things during the game which increase and/or decrease their chances of winning. The team wins and loses together. You're not taking anything away from the players by calling a foul, the coach who acted badly took it away from the players.

Also you do not get to decide which way to handle it is more appropriate, it is already decided for you in the rules.

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions. They can just be in my way. I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement. I got my point across and didn't hear a word from him the rest of the evening. In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. ... In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

You do realize you are making up rules? You do realize you are causing problems for those who follow you and properly administer the penalty? You do realize you are admitting to being the type of official most of us despise?

[ajmc]

I don't know how long you've been doing this, Blue37, but an official trying to apply some common sense to correct a problem, before it becomes a major issue, by getting someone's attention with the least consequence doesn't cause anyone to dispise him.

What can cause such a problem, a lot more likely, is an official following the exact verbiage of a rule without considering the appropriateness of how it applies to the situation at hand.

Nuclear warheads on mouse traps will absolutely eliminate a lot of mice, but the collateral damage might just be a little extreme.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I don't know how long you've been doing this, Blue37, but an official trying to apply some common sense to correct a problem, before it becomes a major issue, by getting someone's attention with the least consequence doesn't cause anyone to dispise him.

What can cause such a problem, a lot more likely, is an official following the exact verbiage of a rule without considering the appropriateness of how it applies to the situation at hand.

Nuclear warheads on mouse traps will absolutely eliminate a lot of mice, but the collateral damage might just be a little extreme.

100% wrong. Sideline warnings are defined as more than 3 coaches or any players in the "box". Yelling at an official is never a sideline warning.

I wonder what you would say when the supervisor sees the game tape and you called a sideline warning when it was obvious that a sideline warning didn't occur.

If some guy is yelling at you either ignore it, tell him to shut-up, or call the USC foul. There are no other options.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Blue37

You do realize you are making up rules? You do realize you are causing problems for those who follow you and properly administer the penalty? You do realize you are admitting to being the type of official most of us despise?

The type of official that many people despise is the one that looks for any reason to call as many fouls as possible. The ones that want to "send a message". The ones that are obsessed with side line warnings, uniform compliance and what the assistant coaches might be saying about them.

In dealing with coaches I go by an axiom told to me by a wise old official. "Remember, this is our hobby and it is important to us, we work hard at it, but, coaching is this guys job."

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by parepat

The ones that are obsessed with side line warnings,

Is "obsessed with sideline warnings" equivalent to "using them when appropriate"?

In dealing with coaches I go by an axiom told to me by a wise old official. "Remember, this is our hobby and it is important to us, we work hard at it, but, coaching is this guys job."

That's all well and good, but it doesn't give the coach the right to abuse us and, in the case of the sidelines, it won't keep us from being sued when something happens like it did in Texas. That doesn't mean, of course, that we shouldn't be professional in our interaction with them.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by parepat

The type of official that many people despise is the one that looks for any reason to call as many fouls as possible. The ones that want to "send a message". The ones that are obsessed with side line warnings, uniform compliance and what the assistant coaches might be saying about them.

Other than calling as many fouls as possible, you seemed to describe a pretty good official.

- Send a message to the team that you aren't going to put up with them by calling that first sideline warning. They didn't believe you when you said to get back so show them that you mean business.

- Obsessed with sideline warning, well that is a POE so I would hope that all officials would work hard at enforcing it.

- What the players wear is a big deal. Pants not covering the knees, not enough pads in their pants, tinted eye shields, casts not padded enough...

- No official should have to put up with some assistant coach.

Originally Posted by parepat

In dealing with coaches I go by an axiom told to me by a wise old official. "Remember, this is our hobby and it is important to us, we work hard at it, but, coaching is this guys job."

First off you are sucking up to the coaches. I don't care who they are. He might be some volunteer or a full time coach. On the field they are all the same. Saying that the coach is full time is just an excuse to not take care of business.

And I don't know where you are from, but around here I have never seen a coach who did not have a real job.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by parepat

The type of official that many people despise is the one that looks for any reason to call as many fouls as possible. The ones that want to "send a message". The ones that are obsessed with side line warnings, uniform compliance and what the assistant coaches might be saying about them.

In dealing with coaches I go by an axiom told to me by a wise old official. "Remember, this is our hobby and it is important to us, we work hard at it, but, coaching is this guys job."

I'd be insulted by that. This is more than a hobby. It's NOT the coach's job, BTW. His job is "teacher" at the school 99% of the time. Just like me, it's something he does when he's not working his primary job. I consider him no more important to the process than me or my crew.

We don't let people on the field. The state has said this is how it will be and we enforce it. We've had at least 6 sideline warnings, 1 5-yard penalty, and one IP called when my line judge backed right into an assistant coach. If it costs me ratings, so what? Look, here you either get one playoff game or two playoff games with the exception of the 7 crews that work the state finals. So at most I could cost myself one playoff game by offending the wrong coach. Is it worth selling my soul or the crew down the river? No freaking way.

We flagged a head coach for USC on Friday night. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's part of the job. If you're not willing to do that part of the job, I'd prefer you quit so it's not so hard for the rest of us.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions.

On the field is not a sideline warning, that is a USC foul.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

They can just be in my way.

Being in your way is not a sideline warning. A sideline warning is when there are more than 3 coaches or any players in the 6 feet area between the 25 yard lines.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner.

I don't care if you do it again that way, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just saying that the way you did it was not the correct way.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement.

Some assistant disrespectfully addressed you after you had already told him to stop. That should have been a USC foul or nothing.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

AIn my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

I don't know what your definition of handled properly is, but mine would be doing it the correct way as outlined by the rules.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions. They can just be in my way. I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement. I got my point across and didn't hear a word from him the rest of the evening. In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

I agree with your handling of this situation initially. The threat is a whole different matter.