The worst a coach said to me this year

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Blue37

In the following section regarding unsportmanlike conduct, the warning is only listed for article 1k and article 3. Article 1a-d covers the behavior of coaches and the only penalty listed is 15 yards. There is no warning for behavior.

SECTION 8 NONCONTACT UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT BY NONPLAYERS
ART. 1 No coach, substitute, trainer or other team attendant shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the officials assume authority for the contest. Examples are, but not limited to:
a. Using profanity, insulting or vulgar language or gestures.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.
b. Attempting to influence a decision by an official.
c. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
d. Indicating objections to an official’s decision.
e. Using any illegal communication equipment as outlined in 1-5-3b and 1-6.
f. Holding an unauthorized conference.
NOTE: Between downs, communications between players and coaches near the sideline are not an unauthorized conference.
g. The failure of a team to be ready to start either half.
h. Failure of the head coach, following verification, to have his player(s) wear or use legal and/or required equipment.
i. Being on the field except as a substitute or replaced player. (See 3-7-6; 9-6-4a)
j. Using tobacco or smokeless tobacco.
k. Being outside the team box, but not on the field. (See 9-8-3)
l. A substitute who leaves the team box during a fight.
ART. 2 Three attendants, none of whom is a coach, may enter the field to attend their team during a charged time-out or a TV/radio time-out, during the one-minute following a try, a successful field goal or safety, and prior to the succeeding free kick, between periods and during an official’s time-out for unusual heat and humidity. During a time-out for injury, the coach and/or such attendants as may be deemed necessary by the referee may, with permission, enter to attend the injured player(s). In no other case, except as in 2-6, shall any non-player other than an entering substitute enter without the referee’s permission.
ART. 3 A non-player shall not be outside his team box unless to become a player or to return as a replaced player. A maximum of three coaches may be in the coaches’ area.
PENALTY: Non-player fouls (Art. 1a through j) (S27), (S7-27) if dead ball 15 yards. Non-player foul (Art. 2) (S19) 5 yards, unless repeated or unsportsmanlike (S27) 15 yards. (Arts. 1k, 3) (S15) First offense-warning. (S7-29) Second offense 5 yards, each subsequent offense (S7-29-27) 15 yards. (Art. 1) (S27-47) 15 yards and disqualification. (Arts. 1, 2, 3) Any single flagrant foul is disqualification. A second unsportsmanlike foul with a 15-yard penalty results in disqualification. (See 9-5 Pen) A disqualified member of the coaching staff shall be ejected from the stadium area and be prohibited from any further contact, direct or indirect, with his team during the remainder of the game. For failure to comply, the referee may forfeit the game.

I didn't warn him, they got a 5 yarder for their 2nd sideline violation. I thought it was the right thing to do as he got the point.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I didn't warn him, they got a 5 yarder for their 2nd sideline violation. I thought it was the right thing to do as he got the point.

The sideline warning has to do with where people who are off the field are standing. Anything someone says is a USC foul not a sideline warning.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by LDUB

The sideline warning has to do with where people who are off the field are standing. Anything someone says is a USC foul not a sideline warning.

However, I felt that the way I handled it was more appropriate. It was a tight ball game and the kids were playing hard without incident. I wasn't going to let the actions of one adult cause me to what I felt would have penalized the kids more than him.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

However, I felt that the way I handled it was more appropriate. It was a tight ball game and the kids were playing hard without incident. I wasn't going to let the actions of one adult cause me to what I felt would have penalized the kids more than him.

That adult is a member of the team just as a player on the field is. The coach gets the glory when the team wins just like the players does. All members of the team do things during the game which increase and/or decrease their chances of winning. The team wins and loses together. You're not taking anything away from the players by calling a foul, the coach who acted badly took it away from the players.

Also you do not get to decide which way to handle it is more appropriate, it is already decided for you in the rules.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by LDUB

That adult is a member of the team just as a player on the field is. The coach gets the glory when the team wins just like the players does. All members of the team do things during the game which increase and/or decrease their chances of winning. The team wins and loses together. You're not taking anything away from the players by calling a foul, the coach who acted badly took it away from the players.

Also you do not get to decide which way to handle it is more appropriate, it is already decided for you in the rules.

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions. They can just be in my way. I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement. I got my point across and didn't hear a word from him the rest of the evening. In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. ... In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

You do realize you are making up rules? You do realize you are causing problems for those who follow you and properly administer the penalty? You do realize you are admitting to being the type of official most of us despise?

[ajmc]

I don't know how long you've been doing this, Blue37, but an official trying to apply some common sense to correct a problem, before it becomes a major issue, by getting someone's attention with the least consequence doesn't cause anyone to dispise him.

What can cause such a problem, a lot more likely, is an official following the exact verbiage of a rule without considering the appropriateness of how it applies to the situation at hand.

Nuclear warheads on mouse traps will absolutely eliminate a lot of mice, but the collateral damage might just be a little extreme.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Blue37

You do realize you are making up rules? You do realize you are causing problems for those who follow you and properly administer the penalty? You do realize you are admitting to being the type of official most of us despise?

The type of official that many people despise is the one that looks for any reason to call as many fouls as possible. The ones that want to "send a message". The ones that are obsessed with side line warnings, uniform compliance and what the assistant coaches might be saying about them.

In dealing with coaches I go by an axiom told to me by a wise old official. "Remember, this is our hobby and it is important to us, we work hard at it, but, coaching is this guys job."

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions.

On the field is not a sideline warning, that is a USC foul.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

They can just be in my way.

Being in your way is not a sideline warning. A sideline warning is when there are more than 3 coaches or any players in the 6 feet area between the 25 yard lines.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner.

I don't care if you do it again that way, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just saying that the way you did it was not the correct way.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement.

Some assistant disrespectfully addressed you after you had already told him to stop. That should have been a USC foul or nothing.

Originally Posted by w_sohl

AIn my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

I don't know what your definition of handled properly is, but mine would be doing it the correct way as outlined by the rules.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

And they don't have to be on the field for the sideline infractions. They can just be in my way. I handled the way I handled it and if the situation were the same, I would handle it in the same manner. He said nothing to me that deserved a 15 yard penalty in my judgement. I got my point across and didn't hear a word from him the rest of the evening. In my opinion and as far as I know the opinion of my crew and association it was handled properly.

I agree with your handling of this situation initially. The threat is a whole different matter.