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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 12:22pm
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Start on the snap following a fair catch?

Ques. 11: Why would the clock start on the snap following the replay of the down. There has been no change of possession? (NF)
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 12:30pm
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Ques. 11: Why would the clock start on the snap following the replay of the down. There has been no change of possession? (NF)
Because the action that ended the play was a fair catch, which also causes the clock to stop (same as the ball carrier running out of bounds or an incomplete pass).

In regard to number 4, I was under the impression that even if time expired after the administration of a dead ball foul, we would have an untimed down. I take it that this is not the case. I will need to study the timing rules further.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 12:33pm
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In regard to number 4, I was under the impression that even if time expired after the administration of a dead ball foul, we would have an untimed down. I take it that this is not the case. I will need to study the timing rules further.
I said we wouldn't have an untimed down because the false start (a dead ball foul) didn't happen DURING the last timed down of the quarter.

I'm not saying I'm right, but that is what I think.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 12:41pm
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Well both you and Warren said the same thing and I've trusted your rules judgment before. Its rare but I have missed things once or twice... well maybe a couple more times.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 03:14pm
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Re: # 2

Warren and Scooby - As there can be multiple instances of first touching by K during a free kick, why would the clock start (or start-and-stop) when K3 touches or recovers the kick?
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 03:55pm
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Warren and Scooby - As there can be multiple instances of first touching by K during a free kick, why would the clock start (or start-and-stop) when K3 touches or recovers the kick?
I agree with you. There can be more than one spot of first touching. Are they saying the clock starts on the second instance of first touching? If so, that's a new one on me.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 03:59pm
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In #2, the free kick is touched at R-47, which is not first touching. The clock should be started at this point.

Now if there were first touching, and then K again touched the kick legally, I would start the clock where it was touched legally.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 04:39pm
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Warren and Scooby - As there can be multiple instances of first touching by K during a free kick, why would the clock start (or start-and-stop) when K3 touches or recovers the kick?
Never mind. I've got it now.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 03:59pm
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Because the action that ended the play was a fair catch, which also causes the clock to stop (same as the ball carrier running out of bounds or an incomplete pass).

In regard to number 4, I was under the impression that even if time expired after the administration of a dead ball foul, we would have an untimed down. I take it that this is not the case. I will need to study the timing rules further.
Exactly. I like Redding's explanation. There can be more than one reason to stop the clock. There are major clock stoppers and minor ones. The fair catch is a major one. Major ones trump and when they do, you start on the snap.

MNBlue is right. You extend the period if a foul occurs during the last timed down. A FS isn't during a timed down.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 04:01pm
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Good point on the major and minor clock stoppers.

Well, Mike thanks again for the quiz. Looks like I need to do some more clock rules study!
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