RTP enforcement

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

Canadian Ruling, con'd

I am not sure it is accurate to say that RTP passer cannot be flagged once B intercepts the ball. There is no rules verbiage to that effect. I believe QBs should get the same protection whether the ball is dead or intercepted.

However, you are correct that the rules for applying UR mean that if the ball is intercepted then B will keep it.

It is interesting that a roughing the kicker does have an exception to the normal UR application rules and even though most RTK occurs after the ball is in flight we still consider the foul as if it occured prior to the ball being in flight.

Good catch. Editted to include the OB event.

Given that B went OB, then the passer was hit, I do not have RTP.

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good catch. Editted to include the OB event.

Given that B went OB, then the passer was hit, I do not have RTP.

Canadian ruling, con'd

I still respectfully disagree. If the QB happens to throw an incompletion and get hits in what would be considered RTP, it is still RTP even though the ball is dead.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

Canadian ruling, con'd

I still respectfully disagree. If the QB happens to throw an incompletion and get hits in what would be considered RTP, it is still RTP even though the ball is dead.

This could be a play that you have to see.

You might call RTP. I am near certain that I wouldn't call RTP; there's too much time and too many events after the release, imho, for RTP. Rather, I have a generic UR.

[kdf5]

2-32-11...A passer is a player who throws a legal forward pass. He continues
to be a passer until the legal forward pass ends or until he moves to participate in the play.

Since he didn't move to participate, he's a passer until the pass ends. Sounds like a PF, not RTP.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kdf5

2-32-11...A passer is a player who throws a legal forward pass. He continues
to be a passer until the legal forward pass ends or until he moves to participate in the play.

Since he didn't move to participate, he's a passer until the pass ends. Sounds like a PF, not RTP.

Bingo. The bolded phrase is what I was waiting for. And that's what I called. Personal foul, half-the-distance on B, enforced from the end of the return, B possession.

The title of the thread was mainly a diversion.

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This could be a play that you have to see.

You might call RTP. I am near certain that I wouldn't call RTP; there's too much time and too many events after the release, imho, for RTP. Rather, I have a generic UR.

My point was that if the events satisfied the criteria for RTP, the fact that the ball was intercepted or dead (or both) would not change that.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

My point was that if the events satisfied the criteria for RTP, the fact that the ball was intercepted or dead (or both) would not change that.

I see. I was commenting on this particular situation as posted by the OP. I read your comments as considerations for RTP.

What would you call on this play? Or do you have to see the play?

[rngrck]

I would agree with Rich's reply for a PF, since he is not a passer any longer. Late hit, PF.

[a4caster]

Now this will really get guys wound up...where is the enforcement point (and remember the heated discussion about spots)?